I recognize a number of those names, Fleep, and have now added your list to my own.
Oh! And a bit of a self promoting plug here, speaking about viewers, I do have a list of OpenSim compatible viewers, Misfit's Index of Viewers, or MIV, for people to check out. I've listed a number of features as well as homepages and download links. http://excelsior-station.wikidot.com/misfit-s-index-of-viewers-miv Please let me know of other, legitmate viewers that are publicly available, as well as features you would like to see listed. On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Fleep Tuque <[email protected]> wrote: > People will be less likely to volunteer or share information if they are > worried about being publicly ridiculed, so let's try to keep the discussion > positive and find better ways to communicate disagreement than calling > people stupid. In addition, I think blanket statements are hard to defend, > since there are so many people using Opensim for so many different > use-cases and what works for one grid operator might not work for another. > > For my part, my goal was to at least make the attempt to block known bad > viewers even if there are technically ways to work around the block for the > more savvy griefer. I'm not sure where I got all of these viewer names as > I just add to the list over time when I come across blog posts or other > information about "bad" viewers, but this is the list I've compiled so far > (and apologies for the profanity): > > DeniedClients = > "Twisted|Crawler|Cryolife|FuckLife|StreetLife|GreenLife|AntiLife|KORE-Phaze|Synlyfe|Purple > Second Life|SecondLi |Emerald" > > Thanks to all who shared information and if anyone else knows other > viewers that are generally used for nefarious purposes rather than > legitimate uses, I'd be happy to add them to my list. > > Sincerely, > > - Fleep > > > Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque) > Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM) > UCIT Instructional & Research Computing > University of Cincinnati > 406A Zimmer Hall > 315 College Drive > PO BOX 210088 > Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088 > [email protected] > (513) 556-3018 > > http://ucsim.uc.edu > > > On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM, R.Gunther <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Banning a viewer is just stupid, especially because the newer viewers >> work better. >> But what i dont understand is that you blame the distance from region to >> grid server. >> I can remember something that you did have the same problems in EC2 cloud >> on windows server. >> and the EC2 cloud is in usa. So that dont explain much. You now lock >> people out of a region only because the dont use imprudence or some other >> "buggy" viewer. >> >> >> On 2012-08-18 17:07, Akira Sonoda wrote: >> >> Should be fine... is the correct wording :-) It works fine for Sims with >> 1 to 5 Avatars simultaneously which is possibly 99.9% of the whole Landmass >> served by OpenSim, but on crowded spaces very distant (Europe) from the >> Asset- Inventory etc. Severs ( California ) it does not... especially if >> the Cache Hit Ratio is low. Since November 2011 when those caps were >> introduced we only had problems which could be mitigated by disabling those >> caps and with the viewer bans in place we had quite a successful OSG5B >> Friday Party with 37 Avatars simultaneously partying without restart ( okie >> by the end of the party at around 01:00 CET the presence service went >> somehow corrupt and it was no longer possible to join the party ). Failed >> to verify presence or something like that was the message in the log. >> Yestertday again 22 People with the viewer restrictions i have in place >> plus disabled lindencps: >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/akirasonoda/7803972118/ no major problem >> ... feedback was: Rezzing is better, less clouds ... >> >> But for sure we'd like to welcome all Viewers at the party... enabling >> getMesh ... should not be that much of an issue, because not too many >> Avatar wear Meshes... on the other hand, most of the visitors still use the >> imprudence especially if we enforce it somehow by banning most other viewer >> capable of rendering meshes, therefore there is no big rush to enable >> getMesh again... >> >> Right now I am thinking of factoring the whole HTTP stuff out of the >> OpenSim into a separate Process, in order to have OpenSim doing what it can >> best, acting as a Region Server calculating physics and executing scripts >> and serving legacy UDP Packets to the Viewers. I hope to be able to start a >> Proof of Concept rather soon. In parallel I will do further testing with >> the different viwers and the different combination in order to get further >> insights. >> >> take care >> Akira >> >> >> 2012/8/14 Justin Clark-Casey <[email protected]> >> >>> GetMesh and GetTexture should be fine in 0.7.4-rc1 (and probably >>> earlier). >>> >>> I think the "may lead to poor performance" was rather cautious. If >>> anything, fetching via HTTP should lead to better performance since it's >>> not generating lots of UDP messages that have to traverse OpenSimulator's >>> UDP client stack (and hence appear to be able to hold up/crowd out other >>> UDP messages in the process). >>> >>> >>> On 13/08/12 18:42, Akira Sonoda wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Word, >>>> >>>> Because with those caps >>>> >>>> Cap_GetTexture="" >>>> Cap_GetMesh="" >>>> Cap_FetchInventoryDescendents2="" >>>> Cap_FetchInventory2="" >>>> >>>> you won't see any textures on prims ... meaning all prims will be >>>> invisible. Only Singularity 1.7 has this problem and is therefore >>>> banned >>>> The same applies for the experimental Cool VL Viewer which will be on >>>> the banned list as well. >>>> >>>> Once I am certain at least GetTexture and GetMesh won't harm, they >>>> possibly can be also allowed. But right now i do what is written in >>>> the comment of the OpenSim.ini: >>>> >>>> ; This is disabled by default. Change if you see fit. Note that >>>> ; serving this cap from the simulators may lead to poor performace. >>>> >>>> Poor Performance ... I am sensitive on that .... and it is even worse... >>>> >>>> Take care >>>> Akira >>>> >>>> 2012/8/13, [email protected] <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Hi Akira, >>>>> >>>>> Why are you banning Singularity ? >>>>> >>>>> Best regards >>>>> Wordfromthe Wise >>>>> >>>>> On 13.08.2012, at 00:25, Akira Sonoda <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Fleep, >>>>>> >>>>>> First, banning viewers is not a good thing, especially not on osgrid, >>>>>> because osgrid is here for testing the OpenSimulator under real life >>>>>> usage >>>>>> and as far as i know OpenSim wants to support all of the viewers >>>>>> floating >>>>>> around. >>>>>> >>>>>> Buuuuut ... it is really annoying to have a sim crashing when you >>>>>> have a >>>>>> party with some 15 to 30 people partying. Therefore I enabled on one >>>>>> of >>>>>> the 50 sims i am maintaining, the following rules: >>>>>> >>>>>> AllowedClients="Phoenix|Imprudence|Cool|Singularity|Firestorm|0.6.3" >>>>>> BannedClients="Singularity 1.7" >>>>>> >>>>>> Those should support most of the used viewers: >>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/akirasonoda/7769188218/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Firestorm is in, because many people use it. This is the riskiest part >>>>>> because with my avatar i crash ( or at least produce ACK timeouts for >>>>>> all >>>>>> viewers ) the sims all the time using the latest Firestorm. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have your own grid, then you can apply viewer restrictions on >>>>>> grid >>>>>> level. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care, >>>>>> Akira >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2012/8/9 Fleep Tuque <[email protected]> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I was wondering if anyone was willing to share their list of banned >>>>>> viewers used in the config files for Opensim? I don't know what the >>>>>> latest and greatest bad viewers are (or really any of them since I >>>>>> don't >>>>>> use them!), but if anyone has a good list, I for one would appreciate >>>>>> the >>>>>> info. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the record, I understand that the banned viewer list in the >>>>>> config can >>>>>> be overridden by a savvy griefer, so it's not air tight security, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> figure any effort to combat it doesn't hurt.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance! >>>>>> >>>>>> - Chris/Fleep >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris M. Collins (SL/OS: Fleep Tuque) >>>>>> Center for Simulations & Virtual Environments Research (UCSIM) >>>>>> UCIT Instructional & Research Computing >>>>>> University of Cincinnati >>>>>> 406A Zimmer Hall >>>>>> 315 College Drive >>>>>> PO BOX 210088 >>>>>> Cincinnati, OH 45221-0088 >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> (513) 556-3018 <%28513%29%20556-3018> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://ucsim.uc.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Opensim-users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Justin Clark-Casey (justincc) >>> http://justincc.org/blog >>> http://twitter.com/justincc >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Opensim-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-users mailing >> [email protected]https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >
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