S Destika wrote:
Thanks for the long explanation.
> My concern is that things
are not moving at a good enough pace, they are not going in the right
direction and the slow pace is due to Sun's highly bureaucratic
governance. Secondly the process isn't open and inviting enough - The
complete Solaris development has to be opened up - Sun Engineers need
to develop and discuss in the open - otherwise how will aspiring
folks get to know the technology and understand the development
model?
> Now people are saying here that it is natural enough
for such a project to take time to be opened up fully - but no one
has clearly explained exactly what is taking time. People have done
amazing things in less time if you look else where.
> Java vs.
.NET - I think Microsoft has done a decent job with .NET in short
time. Look at the time Sun is taking in implementing a nice native
looking GUI in Java. Look at how much time Sun took just to implement
shared classes ? Apple had to do it. The whole JSR process is again
highly formal, time consuming and burdensome. Sun needs to find a
faster and efficient way of doing things. Waiting years for things to
happen isn't my definition of success. Sun should be able to take
help from community to fix things as quickly as possible.
> Ok
so lastly, I am hoping CAB members will be able to speed up things
and garner interest from lots of developers and we will see a lot of
action in short time.
So what pace would be good enough for you? The slow pace - as far
as I can see - is due to those pesky legal agreements things which
we need to ensure are not violated by making the codebase available
to one and all under an OSI-approved opensource license.
Did you check out the roadmap at www.opensolaris.org/os/about/roadmap ?
Sun Engineers _are_ developing and discussing in the open, and as time
goes on more and more will do so. I'm sure I made mention of this in
my email last night.
As to what is taking so much time -- people who have responded include
myself and various CAB and active developer members of the OpenSolaris
community. Every single one has talked about what is holding things up.
Every single one wants the whole darn thing to go much faster. Every.
Single. One. And they're working on it. But as Al and Rich have said,
there is a massive amount of code to work through. Lots of different
legal agreements (there's that bogey again), and did we mention the
SCM thing too?
Sun _is_ getting a _lot_ of help from the community to get things
moving faster, to improve processes and such like. Even RMS is a part
of that purely by being part of the discussions that we have along the
way. (Hi Richard!) The CAB members are doing as much as they can but
please, remember that they have day jobs to do as well. Even the two
who work for Sun.
We're fully cognizant of the need to move quickly, and with care,
to make sure that the full benefits of opening up Solaris can be
realised by as many people as possible. It has taken linux and the
BSDs many years to get where they are today, without having generally
having to worry about legal issues.
If you want to be part of the conversation, to help speed things up,
then keep interacting with this discussion but more importantly, look
at the mountain of work that's needed and start helping this community
to climb it. We could do with the help - here's an opportunity for you.
best regards,
James C. McPherson
--
Pacrim PTS Engineer 828 Pacific Highway
Gordon NSW
Sun Microsystems Australia 2072
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