I'm going to have to come down on Ed's (Can I call you Ed?) side here.
these are *mailing lists*, NOT Jive-forums. yes, the problem is between
the Jive interface (and other similar web-based list readers) and email.
HOWEVER, this is firstly a mailing list, so the standards of the mailing
list apply FIRST. And, even in a Jive forum setting, it really does
help to quote what exactly you are referring to, particularly from large
previous posts. It's distracting to have to read a huge previous post
just to figure out what a 1-line reply refers to in that post.
We have conventions to follow for orderly discussion, and the convention
for mailing lists is to (selective) QUOTE for a reply. This is not a
Jive forum. This is a mailing list, of which Jive is but one interface
possible for reading that list. It's not unreasonable to ask that all
participants adhere to a standard of behavior, regardless of the method
they chose to read the list with.
-Erik
On 7/12/2010 7:55 AM, John Plocher wrote:
Edward Ned Harvey,
Please, before you condemn everyone who uses the Jive forums as being
l0sers and id10t's, go and use it yourself to post a day's worth of
mail replies. Find out *for yourself* how hard or easy it is to
actually live life the way you are preaching, because, in the end,
unless you walk in their shoes and show thru your actions that you
merit people's respect, nobody gives a damn what you have to say.
Most of us here have lived with Jive's foibles long enough to realize
that there is a fundamental conceptual flaw in trying to gateway
between a forum where the entire thread history is presented in the
user interface in the order it was generated, and where quoted text is
discouraged and bad form and a mail thread where those things are
explicitly not true. In other words, it isn't Jive's fault, nor is it
the Jive user's fault - from their perspective, they don't see the
problem. It is only you, who chose to use a deficient user interface
(mail) to follow their conversation, who has the problem....
-John
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Edward Ned Harvey
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:opensolaris- <mailto:opensolaris->
> [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Svein Skogen
>
> As you have been told before, the users using the jive-forum doesn't
> have this luxury without a lot of manual work. Those who are
using it
> as
> a mailinglist do.
>
> Please stick to the topic in the mail, and stop blaming the
format if
> you dislike the message.
I am not expressing a personal opinion, such as "copy and paste is
too much
work." I am expressing an objective position: If you don't quote
messages,
it's difficult or impossible for readers to know what you're
replying to.
--
Erik Trimble
Java System Support
Mailstop: usca22-123
Phone: x17195
Santa Clara, CA
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