On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 10:39:11PM -0500, Michał Jastrzębski wrote: > Hello Tom, > > I must say I think this is bad news - especially for projects like > Kolla - ops centric. > One of reasons we created PTG in the first place is that Summit became > big and expensive, and project developers had harder and harder time > attending it due to budget issues.
So a trip to PTG is really cheaper than summit? Is the PTG one sponsored by someone? > PTG would offer many of these devs > opportunity to talk to their peers, other project developers and build > OpenStack dev community. > If project attends PTG, and most of them > plans to (again, Kolla included), that is a travel for project team. A big IF here ... > If we hold 2 PTGs per year, that's big hit on travel budget (but still > smaller than summit). > > PTG becomes very important for project team, summit arguably will > become less important as many of developers will be able to afford > only PTGs. Summit is less (or just NOT) important to developers, emm ... that is true if 1) the team knows exactly what users/ops want so they don't even bother interact with them, just focus on getting things done; 2) the person who approves your trip request also believes so. > If we say that "Don't expect Ops at PTG", that means > OpenStack dev community will become even more disconnected from Ops > community. Wasn't that part of the plan? Or maybe the Ops will travel four times a year, go to the summit twice for (watching) shows and go to the PTGs twice to interact with the team that is busy discussing implementation details ... > Let's not forget that OpenStack is ultimately operators > tool, they need to care for it and in my opinion having close > relationship with them is extremely important for good of project. If > we raise cost of keeping this relationship, that might really hurt > OpenStack. > Cheers, > Michal > I really hope I was totally wrong. Regards, Qiming __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev