On 10/12/16, 11:18 AM, Dmitry Tantsur wrote:

>On 10/12/2016 11:59 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> PTGs happen in more cost-effective locations, airport hubs with cheaper
>> hotels, which should lower the cost of attending. Yes, I'm pretty sure
>> traveling to Atlanta downtown for a week will be cheaper than going to
>> Barcelona, Boston or Sydney downtown for a week.
>And while PTG will surely be cheaper than the Summit, the Summit is not
>away (for marketing, management, few developer representatives), so the
>expense is unlikely to drop IMO.

Yes, I've been unsure about the cost justification for the PTG too.
Hosting in a less expensive city will probably result in the PTG being
slightly cheaper to attend than the Summit, but with ops feedback and so
many other important activities missing, many developers will need to
attend both the Summit and the PTG to be fully involved.

Cost of PTG < Cost of Summit


(Cost of PTG + Cost of Summit) > Cost of Summit

Also, unless I've missed something, we still don't know the registration
fees for the PTG and the new Summit do we? Last I remember, there was talk
of a registration fee for the PTG, and then a Summit discount for PTG
attendees[1]. Is that still the plan?

Surely the PTG will need to be free to attend, otherwise isn't it better
for project teams to simply shift our existing mid-cycles to the PTG
timeframe with an altered focus to save money? Genuine question.

>> Yes, the plan is (amongst other things) to make sure that upstream
>> developers are available to interact with users (operators, but also app
>> developers...) during the very week where *all* our community gets
>> together (the OpenStack Summit). Currently we try to get things done at
>> the same time, which results in hard choices between listening and
>> doing. By clearly setting out separate times for each activity, we make
>> sure we stay focused.
>Sorry, but to me it's extremely unrealistic to expect a big number of
>on the Summit any more. Sending folks to both events doubles the travel
>and I know that many companies have struggles with sending people to one

I know a lot of people share this concern. It can already be hard enough
to justify travel twice a year to an event comprising 100% of the
community's activities. Splitting that 100% across two separate events of
~50% each, twice each per year, is going to make it much harder. I fear
that some developers will be unable to attend any events at all, as
neither the PTG or the new Summit will be as important as the combined
Summit has been until now.

I'm looking forward to hopefully hearing a lot more details about the PTG
during the summit.



[1] https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ptgfaq/

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