Pascal Bleser wrote:
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majority of seats on the CT be held by staffers.
Yes, obviously.
+1
I'm not having a problem with project and product management being made 100% by
Novell/SUSE.
I have (well 90% is nice :-). If the community is to
contribute largely, it needs voice. Opensource community can
become a very heavy involvement for an individual and for
many individuals. The return for Novell is obvious, but why
should I work free for a company? why not going Debian, for
example.
It's not a troll. I know my answer, but I see quite few
people really involved in opensuse aside of Novells corps,
and I think it's also for lack of visible return.
I don't mind money. but consideration, informations, support
for things.
That's perfectly fine with me. People complaining about not having their word
to say in the
product/project management have no clue about what it means, how much work is
involed in it, how
complex it is, and how much money Novell puts into that.
going opensource have pros and cons
To me, I prefer having less to say about the core distribution and have it done
well,
professionally, by qualified people who are paid fulltime to work on it than
having some mess like
Fedora.
this is closed source work...
I can only speak on the topic of packaging and package management, as that's
where I'm involved in.
We talked already about the build servers, I addressed a number of ideas,
directions and issues
currently faced by community packagers, and I'd like to see them addressed in a
way or another.
exactly what I say :-)
discussed, decided. That's perfectly fine as well, but I'd like to have some
more feedback.
+1
Not that you owe me anything lol, but it's just that building a community means
involving it and
keeping it informed about what's happening. If you stay for weeks and months
without showing that
something is happening (and how the progress is, even if it's not being worked
on at the moment),
people (in the community) lose their motivation about it.
exactly
Also, this mailing-list has become almost unusable and unproductive
In my idea, the problem is simple. We need a list master,
preferably from the community members.
I don't mind people to unsubscribe others, but people in
charge of saying "this is in chart" (in fact he won't say
anything in this case) and "please this is not in chart,
please redirect to suse-e...". Somebody have to take the
charge and be trusted.
I've been really close to unsubcribe several times but then again, sometimes,
there's a small thread
like this one popping up.
+1
Proposal:
- - either create a new list "opensuse-community"
- - or clean this list from issues that belong to suse-linux-e
+1
this list should be reserved to
* beta test (ask for bugs) if no other list is available
* opensuse discussions (opensuse=web site)
* "politics" discussions about opensuse
Maybe I sound harsh, but it's definately not my intention to bash or criticize
(at least not without
trying to get some productive reaction out of it).
+1
I'm deeply committed to openSUSE, been very actively involved into making SUSE
better for everyone,
spending a huge amount of my free time to do so, and that's why I'd like to see
it moving forward ;)
for example, rumors about novell leaving kde, firing people
are extremely destructive. We should know here As soon as a
decision is taken what it is to be able to stop rumors
But maybe we're all just too impatient, too hungry for being involved in it,
because some of us have
been waiting for years for this to happen. I certainly am. I should probably
just wrap myself into
more patience.
Anyway, kudos to all the SUSE staffers, keep up the good work and.. maybe...
communicate some more
about it ;-)
in fact as many may know it's easier to keep work in charge
than to spread it and control. easier, but very slow.
many time ago, I was student (40 years ago, in fact), in my
univeristy we had to walk around a table taking sheets of
papers one after one to make printed courses (gestetner
time). With that _we hold active members_. The day we had
photocopiers, findinf members become harder.
The question is: how can I give a small job to this people
to keep him involved with my work. whatch one page, write on
one forum... who is in charge to communicate with /dot?
Freshmeat?....
jdd
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