My ignorant 2 cents. I have an x-terminal so I thought, "No problem"... After using the new installer 3 or 4 times, I would much rather have the old line mode installer. For me the resource problem is the xterm. My servers have no problem running this stuff. But when I crank this dog up from from xterm, the xterm's lights dim...I can't touch any of the other open windows or even move them around, I actually can't fix the tiny fonts (information on this didn't apply), and the gui controls are "funky" (technical term) and not very, um, responsive. I know a lot of this is probably due to inadequate memory on the xterm (which I can't do anything about at the moment)...but so far I fail to see the value added. The motif gui worked better for me too if I chose to use it. I guess I'll have to break down and get an x-windows client for my PC...it, of course, has lots of memory.
On a more positive note, I do remote installs too but haven't tried this from home yet...meaning I've done both local and remote installs (ie: across our WAN) at work and the remote installs didn't seem to be any worse than the local installs. Kip Bryant |1) Production shop, obviously your not installing Oracle that much. But a |development shop is regularly installing Oracle. It would seem that people |with a "command line" background appreciate the power, flexibility, speed, |and therefore crave a command line installer. While people with a "GUI" |background appreciate the comfort of GUI. Click your radio buttons, click |Next. Click Help if your stuck, etc. |2/3) Yes, Java is everywhere for a reason. But real cross platform |development....Perl....(hoping for that free book from Jared..(grin)) |-----Original Message----- |Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:24 PM |To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L |All this ranting is nice but consider the following: |1) You do not install oracle on a server so much. |In fact, in our shop this is done by the technical |people, not the DBA. The DBA got the machine with |oracle already installed and just build the database. |2) When you have to do cross platform development |Java is the tool to save on resources. |3) Any machine that's need to run a production database |should be strong enough to run Java ok. |Yechiel Adar (not an oracle employee) |Mehish |----- Original Message ----- |To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:08 PM |> Me thinks this was done to check off some boxes to indicate that Oracle is |> "easy" to install and maintain (OEM). These are boxes that SQL Server had |> checked off (I guess) for a long time, and Oracle didn't. And Oracle can |> check the Java box a few dozen times now. "Oracle is now easier for your |> (in)experienced IT shop to setup and maintain.", Oracle sales guy rants |and |> raves. "And you don't need to pay for those over-priced experienced DBAs |> anymore!!!", he exclaims. CIOs eyes glaze over... |> |> I am getting tired of W2K, and yearn to get back to Solaris....or any |*NIX. |> Sigh. |> |> -----Original Message----- |> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:24 PM |> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L |> |> |> Oh the system does. That's a given. There is no need to java-fy |> everything. There was a perfectly good working installer. Not everyone |> wants to jump through the hoops of setting up xservers and watching all |your |> RAM consumed by the JRE. |> |> Perl and Perl TK are multi-platform, small footprint, etc. OEM 1.6 still |> had mostly Tcl/TK pieces and parts and ran fast and reliably. Not so for |> OEM 2.x. Give me a command line back for installs. That's not too much |to |> ask, right? |> |> Scott Shafer |> San Antonio, TX |> 210-581-6217 |> |> |> > -----Original Message----- |> > From: Ray Stell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:48 PM |> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L |> > Subject: Re: runInstaller |> > |> > |> > |> > You might look at silent mode install, Note:73510.1 |> > |> > I have found that on really hot machines oui is a screamer. It could be |> > your system needs a facelift. |> > |> > |> > |> > |> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:47:19PM -0800, |[EMAIL PROTECTED] |> > wrote: |> > > What I wouldn't give for "./orainst /c" right now. |> > > |> > > <RANT> |> > > |> > > Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI when it |> > takes |> > > hours and hours just to load up all the java crap! Piece of garbage |is |> > > enough to make me want to go back to 7.3.4 - and shoot the idiot who |> > thought |> > > up java... |> > > |> > > </RANT> |> > > |> > > Thankyou. I feel better about hating 9iAS now. |> > > |> > > |> > > Scott Shafer |> > > San Antonio, TX |> > > 210-581-6217 |> > > |> > > |> > > -- |> > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com |> > > -- |> > > Author: |> > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> > > |> > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 |> > > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists |> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- |> > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message |> > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in |> > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L |> > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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