Ooh, that might be worth buying you a lunch (and a beer for the autograph) 8-)
Kevin Kennedy
First Point Energy Corporation
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> hoping for that free book from Jared..
Well, I get 20 of them.
How's that review coming. :)
Jared
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1) Production shop, obviously your not installing Oracle that much. But a
development shop is regularly installing Oracle. It would seem that
people
with a "command line" background appreciate the power, flexibility, speed,
and therefore crave a command line installer. While people with a "GUI"
background appreciate the comfort of GUI. Click your radio buttons, click
Next. Click Help if your stuck, etc.
2/3) Yes, Java is everywhere for a reason. But real cross platform
development....Perl....(hoping for that free book from Jared..(grin))
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All this ranting is nice but consider the following:
1) You do not install oracle on a server so much.
In fact, in our shop this is done by the technical
people, not the DBA. The DBA got the machine with
oracle already installed and just build the database.
2) When you have to do cross platform development
Java is the tool to save on resources.
3) Any machine that's need to run a production database
should be strong enough to run Java ok.
Yechiel Adar (not an oracle employee)
Mehish
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> Me thinks this was done to check off some boxes to indicate that Oracle
is
> "easy" to install and maintain (OEM). These are boxes that SQL Server
had
> checked off (I guess) for a long time, and Oracle didn't. And Oracle
can
> check the Java box a few dozen times now. "Oracle is now easier for
your
> (in)experienced IT shop to setup and maintain.", Oracle sales guy rants
and
> raves. "And you don't need to pay for those over-priced experienced
DBAs
> anymore!!!", he exclaims. CIOs eyes glaze over...
>
> I am getting tired of W2K, and yearn to get back to Solaris....or any
*NIX.
> Sigh.
>
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>
> Oh the system does. That's a given. There is no need to java-fy
> everything. There was a perfectly good working installer. Not everyone
> wants to jump through the hoops of setting up xservers and watching all
your
> RAM consumed by the JRE.
>
> Perl and Perl TK are multi-platform, small footprint, etc. OEM 1.6
still
> had mostly Tcl/TK pieces and parts and ran fast and reliably. Not so
for
> OEM 2.x. Give me a command line back for installs. That's not too much
to
> ask, right?
>
> Scott Shafer
> San Antonio, TX
> 210-581-6217
>
>
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> > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:48 PM
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> > Subject: Re: runInstaller
> >
> >
> >
> > You might look at silent mode install, Note:73510.1
> >
> > I have found that on really hot machines oui is a screamer. It could
be
> > your system needs a facelift.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:47:19PM -0800,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > What I wouldn't give for "./orainst /c" right now.
> > >
> > > <RANT>
> > >
> > > Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI when it
> > takes
> > > hours and hours just to load up all the java crap! Piece of garbage
is
> > > enough to make me want to go back to 7.3.4 - and shoot the idiot who
> > thought
> > > up java...
> > >
> > > </RANT>
> > >
> > > Thankyou. I feel better about hating 9iAS now.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott Shafer
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > > 210-581-6217
> > >
> > >
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