Jared,

As an author, I know the value of having people actually BUY the book
:)

I have no problem buying a copy -- you just have to PROMISE to sign it!

Hm, I guess this means you're going to have to show up at IOUG 2003 <G>


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Me and my big mouth. 
> 
> I should have added that most of these are spoken for 
> by folks that did actual work in helping us out.  :)
> 
> I'll see what I can do.  :)
> 
> Jared
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 07/10/2002 12:09 PM
> Please respond to ORACLE-L
> 
>  
>         To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>         cc: 
>         Subject:        RE: runInstaller
> 
> 
> gee if that's all it takes, how about
> 
> This book is the best Oracle and Perl book ever written. Why, even a
> total Perl neophyte like me can understand and immediately use
> everything in the book, even before reading it. 
> 
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > hoping for that free book from Jared..
> > 
> > Well, I get 20 of them. 
> > 
> > How's that review coming.  :)
> > 
> > Jared
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > "Grabowy, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > 07/10/2002 11:10 AM
> > Please respond to ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> >         To:     Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >         cc: 
> >         Subject:        RE: runInstaller
> > 
> > 
> > 1) Production shop, obviously your not installing Oracle that much.
> 
> > But a
> > development shop is regularly installing Oracle.  It would seem
> that 
> > people
> > with a "command line" background appreciate the power, flexibility,
> > speed,
> > and therefore crave a command line installer.  While people with a
> > "GUI"
> > background appreciate the comfort of GUI.  Click your radio
> buttons,
> > click
> > Next.  Click Help if your stuck, etc.
> > 
> > 2/3) Yes, Java is everywhere for a reason.  But real cross platform
> > development....Perl....(hoping for that free book from
> Jared..(grin))
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 12:24 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > 
> > 
> > All this ranting is nice but consider the following:
> > 
> > 1) You do not install oracle on a server so much.
> > In fact, in our shop this is done by the technical
> > people, not the DBA. The DBA got the machine with
> > oracle already installed and just build the database.
> > 
> > 2) When you have to do cross platform development
> > Java is the tool to save on resources.
> > 
> > 3) Any machine that's need to run a production database
> > should be strong enough to run Java ok.
> > 
> > Yechiel Adar (not an oracle employee)
> > Mehish
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:08 PM
> > 
> > 
> > > Me thinks this was done to check off some boxes to indicate that
> > Oracle 
> > is
> > > "easy" to install and maintain (OEM).  These are boxes that SQL
> > Server 
> > had
> > > checked off (I guess) for a long time, and Oracle didn't.  And
> > Oracle 
> > can
> > > check the Java box a few dozen times now.  "Oracle is now easier
> > for 
> > your
> > > (in)experienced IT shop to setup and maintain.", Oracle sales guy
> > rants
> > and
> > > raves.  "And you don't need to pay for those over-priced
> > experienced 
> > DBAs
> > > anymore!!!", he exclaims.  CIOs eyes glaze over...
> > >
> > > I am getting tired of W2K, and yearn to get back to Solaris....or
> > any
> > *NIX.
> > > Sigh.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:24 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh the system does.  That's a given.  There is no need to java-fy
> > > everything.  There was a perfectly good working installer.  Not
> > everyone
> > > wants to jump through the hoops of setting up xservers and
> watching
> > all
> > your
> > > RAM consumed by the JRE.
> > >
> > > Perl and Perl TK are multi-platform, small footprint, etc.  OEM
> 1.6
> > 
> > still
> > > had mostly Tcl/TK pieces and parts and ran fast and reliably. 
> Not
> > so 
> > for
> > > OEM 2.x.  Give me a command line back for installs.  That's not
> too
> > much
> > to
> > > ask, right?
> > >
> > > Scott Shafer
> > > San Antonio, TX
> > > 210-581-6217
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Ray Stell [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 4:48 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject: Re: runInstaller
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You might look at silent mode install, Note:73510.1
> > > >
> > > > I have found that on really hot machines oui is a screamer.  It
> > could 
> > be
> > > > your system needs a facelift.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2002 at 12:47:19PM -0800,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > What I wouldn't give for "./orainst /c" right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > <RANT>
> > > > >
> > > > > Where is the productivity and ease of use of the #$%^#@ OUI
> > when it
> > > > takes
> > > > > hours and hours just to load up all the java crap!  Piece of
> > garbage
> > is
> > > > > enough to make me want to go back to 7.3.4 - and shoot the
> > idiot who
> > > > thought
> > > > > up java...
> > > > >
> 
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