> very technical, very detailed, and very dedicated. The fact that > they were both attractive didn't hurt either. One majored in math
I'm about to start a flame war here, I just know it. WHY does it matter to mention the attractiveness of the female DBAs? When I talk about someone I work with, I don't comment on how attractive he or she is. I talk about whether or not the person can do the work and I can learn from him or her. It's the subtle things that promote the attitude. --- "Smith, Ron L." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have had the pleasure of working with 2 female DBA's at my company. > I > have to say they were both the best DBA's the company has had. Both > were > very technical, very detailed, and very dedicated. The fact that > they were > both attractive didn't hurt either. One majored in mathamatics and > had a 4 > point average. But I would not concider her a geek at all. They are > both > always willing to go the extra mile when needed and work what ever > hours are > required. I probebly wouldn't be here if it weren't for them. It > would be > too boring. > > R. Smith > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:25 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Cherie, Rachel - Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. > > Brian - I think you are correct that kids today get very little > encouragement to study hard subjects like sciences. I find this > ironic given > the fact that we have an incredibly technological society. I think > this is a > cumulative product of our society. Parents don't always encourage > their > children, teachers feel they are talking to an unreceptive audience > (and > usually don't have much exposure to technical careers themselves), > and our > popular culture ridicules the idea of maturity in general. > But this is more of a concern for girls as they are making > decisions > about their future. The reason is role models. Often just one > prominent > member of a profession will encourage many young people to consider > that > field. > Now when a young woman in the computer field is considering > becoming an > Oracle DBA, a quick scan of the bookshelves turns up Rachel's name. > So hear > that Rachel -- you're a role model, so you must write more books! > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Just asking .. I'm told that the number of "Americans" (by which I > mean kids > born in the States) entering technical fields of all types is > declining. > Could the decline of the number of women in IT entering IT be a part > of that > trend? > > For that matter, I wasn't really called on much in school (and glad > for it, > I wasn't usually paying attention), nor did my teachers encourage me > that I > can recall for anything in particular. Yet, here I am, earning a > living > doing computer stuff. > > If 'girls' (or boys, see para 1) aren't encouraged in technical > matters, > perhaps it's a problem beyond the scope of an overworked and > underpaid > teachers? Please note, I speak as a father of six and the husband of > an > (former) educator. > > ~brian > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 7:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > I think that within the population of women in IT, the number of > female > Oracle DBAs is increasing. However, in general, the number of women > entering > IT is decreasing. That is, the number of women who are encouraged to > become > DBAs or developers or network admins or sys admins is decreasing. > > I've noticed (I have a friend with a 13 year old son and a 16 year > old > daughter) that the schools are not encouraging girls to go into > science or > math. There have been studies done that show that teachers in those > fields > tend to call on the girls in the class less and spend less time > helping them > understand the subjects. > > My opinion only > > Rachel > > --- DENNIS WILLIAMS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Recently this list had a discussion of female Oracle DBAs. The > > consensus was that the numbers were increasing, which I view as a > good > > thing. Here is an > > article with industry statistics saying that the number of women in > > IT is > > decreasing. > > http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/career/article.php/1564501 > > Any theories? > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA, 40%OCP > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Brian Dunbar > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name > of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the > HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the > message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name > of > mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the > HELP > command for other information (like subscribing). > If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail message, any > use, > distribution or copying of the message is prohibited. Please let me > know > immediately by return e-mail if you have received this message by > mistake, > then delete the e-mail message. Thank you. > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Smith, Ron L. > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
