From: "Jay Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> EW,
[snip]
> After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread
> ("RE: Oracle deal") also went through fine, but none of them were critical
> of Ironflare. In fact, all of them either told me to shut up (Greg
> Stickley and Hani Suleiman, who described the problem as a "pebble"), were
> complimentary of the deal, and/or tried to change the subject. Seems odd
> to me that not one, single critical comment about the most important
> business deal in Orion Server's history came after mine, unless the thread
> was being censored.
Have you considered the remote possibility that everybody else frequenting
this forum might just happen to not share your opinion regarding the deal?
> I would point out one of Karl's statements in his reply to me: "The
purpose
> of the orion-interest has always been to promote the exchange of
> experiences and knowledge between our users, not as a channel to
> communicate with us."
Sounds fair enough. Paying licensees enjoy the benefits of having a
support channel directly to Ironflare. Non-paying users enjoy the
benefits of having a public forum in which to discuss issues regarding
the Orion product. The state being as it is, at Ironflare, with very few
employees so far, and the focus being on development, I would find
it surprising to see either Karl or Magnus spending lots of time in this
forum. Should a significant portion of the users of this forum come to
the conclusion that this forum is unfit for its intended purpose, there is
a very simple solution: Start another one, e.g an egroup.
> I interpret the statement above to be a veiled warning that "big brother
is
> watching" and not to criticize Ironflare via orion-interest.
Oh dear. Let's see if this one comes through, to test the theory.
Ironflare:
- When it comes to announcing major changes and/or updates in the
Orion product and/or the Ironflare company, you, at this time, suck!
- Your official website is among the most static ones I have ever seen.
You should put more effort in publishing current information regarding
the product and the company on a regular basis, as in daily or at least
weekly, on the website.
If the irony wasn't obvious; I, for one, find the very idea that Ironflare
would try to censor this forum ludicrous. I would be _extremely_
surprised to find my criticism above being removed for any reason.
I would be happy to receive any feedback from Ironflare regarding
it, though, but that seems unlikely at this time, this forum not being an
official channel. I have found that an email directly to Ironflare tends
to get more attention. I am not saying that I wouldn't like Ironflare
to more actively participate in this forum. On the contrary, I think
that would be great! But _not_ if it affects development and bug
squashing adversely. _DO_, by all means, update the website more
regularly, though!
> Don't you also find it odd that Ironflare did not make this announcement?
> Rather, it came from Bryan Young's discovery after trying oc4j. My guess
> is that Ironflare, possibly under orders from Oracle, wanted to keep this
> quiet and is now attempting damage control.
Could you please elaborate on exactly how you came to that conclusion?
> If it's a list problem, okay, but how can we possibly know? Time will
> tell, though it could also be that open discussions are not and have never
> been allowed in this "interest" group.
Ridiculous. It might be that I am a Swede myself, but to me it just seems
totally unlikely, from what I have heard and read about Karl & Magnus.
Let's hope I am not proven to be wrong. That would be a sad day indeed.
> Jay
Best regards,
David
