J, The list is a little broken. Yesterday I sent this email, and it didn't go through (see attachement). It could be that some of your emails have not gone through because the list is not working properly. I think it would be better if we graduated to Jives. If anybody knows the principals, suggest this alternative to the email list. Its free, and works with several free databases. regards, the elephantwalker -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jay Armstrong Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 1:36 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Oracle deal gag EW, The message to which you replied has a slightly different title and is from my alternate email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED], not [EMAIL PROTECTED]). It went through just fine. After my criticism, subsequent messages from others on the original thread ("RE: Oracle deal") also went through fine, but none of them were critical of Ironflare. In fact, all of them either told me to shut up (Greg Stickley and Hani Suleiman, who described the problem as a "pebble"), were complimentary of the deal, and/or tried to change the subject. Seems odd to me that not one, single critical comment about the most important business deal in Orion Server's history came after mine, unless the thread was being censored. I would point out one of Karl's statements in his reply to me: "The purpose of the orion-interest has always been to promote the exchange of experiences and knowledge between our users, not as a channel to communicate with us." I interpret the statement above to be a veiled warning that "big brother is watching" and not to criticize Ironflare via orion-interest. Don't you also find it odd that Ironflare did not make this announcement? Rather, it came from Bryan Young's discovery after trying oc4j. My guess is that Ironflare, possibly under orders from Oracle, wanted to keep this quiet and is now attempting damage control. If it's a list problem, okay, but how can we possibly know? Time will tell, though it could also be that open discussions are not and have never been allowed in this "interest" group. Jay At 04:37 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >J, > >There have been lags and blackholes on the list last week. I suspect this is >because the two gents have been in San Francisco in the last week, and have >not been unable to keep up the maintenance. Sunday and Monday, and some of >Tuesday lastweek there were no messages. > >Its a list problem...don't blame Orion. > >Regards, > >the elephantwalker > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J Armstrong >Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 3:50 PM >To: Orion-Interest >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Oracle deal gag > > >Just for fun, try bitching about the original issue. >I tried twice (two days ago and one day ago) to >respond to Karl Avendal's response to me on this >thread and it's not showing up. > >At 12:48 PM 6/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >>Haha, I know... Hani just said we should bitch so I >did :P >> >>- Phillip >> >> >> >>--- elephantwalker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Phil, >>> >>> Orion also supports do's, even though the latest >"draft" doesn't include >>> do's (an earlier draft had major sections on do's). >Phil, this is a moving >>> target, and these guys will fix their ejb 2.0. >Please log the references >>> issue and bidirectional relations problem with >bugzilla, they will fix it. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> the elephantwalker >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - >only $35 >>a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > >
Just to help everybody on the list, here is a link to oracle's orion documentation. This is very useful reading to beginners, and may prove useful to all of us: http://technet.oracle.com/docs/tech/java/oc4j/htdocs/getstart.htm#1016486 You will have to create an account with otn, but that's pretty easy to do by going to : http://technet.oracle.com/index.html, and clicking the membership link. Its free. Regards, the elephantwalker
