2006/9/5, Ray Chuan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Which could also be called competition: Who features the needs best?
Actually its a matter of fact that open source doesn't want competition
because we need to fight prejudice a lot anyway. If there is somebody
(I guess its Aral) that is responsible for this: Is there a way to help
making this thing better? I read in another thread that Arals Team is working
at a redesign? Seems to be in a off the community scope. I think
the concerns of Joao are not off topic and important. The whole presentation
of the open source process is currently unstructured (yes it is). The informations
about various topics is not impressing and for beginners difficult. This is
because of a lack of effort put in the certain parts.
May I critisize the logo of osflash now for example? Its really childish and
doesn't show that there is serious work going on here. Are we just
geeks or do we create something important here?
I don't want this to be seen as affront against those who made it: Its just my
first thoughts about the osflash page and I am sure I am not alone. I think it
needs fit better for some audiences: The business/manager audience as well
as the beginner audience. In addition there needs to be some kind of filter for
the things that add great value and others that are more specified because
the first ones are important to many people and the others not. What technology
if its RSS/Blog or Wiki or whatever can be part of the decision but it should
not only be a decission of wheter its more or less work.
yours
Martin.
Hi,
On 9/5/06, João Saleiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think we should give the next step, and start thinking on the creation
> of another web-site (introductory, for newbies) and keeping (or
> improving) the current wiki. Or improving the current wiki.
>
> For that, i think we should discuss on the ML the structure of that
> site, and how to implement it.
> [1- Discuss the structure]
>
> This is not usual, and maybe it's not the best solution, but i think it
> would be funny if the front-end was Flash - we are osflash, aren't we?
> :P The sections (tutorials, case studies, etc) would be served as RSS,
> and the front-end just had to consume this and show it on screen. So we
> could use existing tools for the server side, and we would only have to
> implement the interface. And share the "web-site" code as an example of
> an osflash project :P. Well, it's open to discussion!
I think this is not a good example of how osflash tools should be
used. For one, RSS would not allow editing of existing content. We
should stick to the wiki to display/structure pages instead of
reinventing the wheel.
Besides, users (i dislike using the term "newbies", some of them may
just have come from a different background) might want to add tips or
a problem they encountered, etc.
Instead of that swf, a more realistic app (pizza, anyone?) should be
used. It should show how osflash can make RIA development faster using
osflash tools, but __not__ use every single osflash tool in existence
for this app; or else it would be just another "golden hammer" case
study.
> [2- Discuss the technologies]
>
> The design should be something simple, but appealing.
> [3- Propose some layouts]
>
> The most important thing is the content (general info, the tutorials,
> etc), so we should start creating quality content. And also, keep it
> simple to add more content.
> [4- Create content, like tutorials, and more things to be decided with
> the structure)
>
> After closing the discussion on this subjects, we should stop talking
> and start working. Everyone who is available to work on this should
> apply for a work-force (is this the word? Argh, my english...). I think
> that within one/two weeks - or less -, if we are organized, it will be
> finished.
It is important to prioritise. I feel design and the facade should be
at the bottom at the list. If you stick to the wiki you wouldn't even
need to bother about creating a totally new design or layout.
> [5- Create a work-force]
>
> I am willing to help on this, despite having a tight deadline for the
> current project (is there any osflasher available to work in Webfuel? :P).
This reminds me of the thread on ASDT. I mean, there are so many
osflashers out there, I'm sure they would have accessed the wiki at
least once...so if there hasn't been any new content, what makes you
so sure a new workforce can create *and* sustain the creation of new
content?
It would be naive to think that it will be a once-off thing.
I'm not out to criticize you, it's a really good idea, but keep in
mind that over enthusiasm may lead to extraneous and redundant work.
Which could also be called competition: Who features the needs best?
Actually its a matter of fact that open source doesn't want competition
because we need to fight prejudice a lot anyway. If there is somebody
(I guess its Aral) that is responsible for this: Is there a way to help
making this thing better? I read in another thread that Arals Team is working
at a redesign? Seems to be in a off the community scope. I think
the concerns of Joao are not off topic and important. The whole presentation
of the open source process is currently unstructured (yes it is). The informations
about various topics is not impressing and for beginners difficult. This is
because of a lack of effort put in the certain parts.
May I critisize the logo of osflash now for example? Its really childish and
doesn't show that there is serious work going on here. Are we just
geeks or do we create something important here?
I don't want this to be seen as affront against those who made it: Its just my
first thoughts about the osflash page and I am sure I am not alone. I think it
needs fit better for some audiences: The business/manager audience as well
as the beginner audience. In addition there needs to be some kind of filter for
the things that add great value and others that are more specified because
the first ones are important to many people and the others not. What technology
if its RSS/Blog or Wiki or whatever can be part of the decision but it should
not only be a decission of wheter its more or less work.
yours
Martin.
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