Hi David Very interesting, that makes sense to me. Does it mean that supporting coherence of the system as a whole should be an organizing principle ? But then Harrison will say I guess that it is not necessary, as self org. will take care of the system itself. Then there is something that I don't understand about self-org. : if we want to keep the system healthy and alive, what should we do ?
Christine Koehler 06 13 28 71 38 Le 9 janv. 2014 à 22:20, David Osborne <[email protected]> a écrit : > I found the questions about how do you keep a system as a coherent whole > fascinating. > > Part of the dance is the back and forth between coherence and fragmentation. > Chaos offers both opportunity and threat, new life and death. Coherence leads > to new life patterns emerging, fragmentation leads towards death and the > cycle toward new life continues. In my experience there is lot's that can be > done to reinforce, nurture and support coherence. Holding the space is one > aspect. Drawing attention and building consensus around what is emerging is > another, supporting parts of the system through conflict in a manner that > continues to increase the likelihood of coherence is a third. There are many > more...and those are some quick thoughts for now. All of this can and is done > with in the context of self-organization and someone having the passion and > taking the initiative to do it. The two are not mutually exclusive. > > Cheers to all. > > David > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:06 PM, christine koehler > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Peggy >> >> If I simplify what you say (and I apologize for it), I understand that you >> say that what keep a self-organized system coherent as a whole is coming >> regularly together as a whole, following our two feet to sessions called >> around we love, coming back as a whole, dispersing again for the evening. Of >> course I would tend to agree with that. But then how do you do with very >> large systems ? Or does it mean that any system that is too large to come >> regularly together as a whole is oversized ? should split into several >> smaller systems to keep its good health ? >> >> and what about decision making ? >> >> Christine >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:24 PM, Peggy Holman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I’d add to what Harrison is saying about what keeps a social system >>> coherent without someone in charge. It’s something built into the practice >>> of Open Space Technology: coming together as a whole, following our two >>> feet to sessions called around we love, coming back as a whole, dispersing >>> again for the evening. Like breathing. >>> >>> There’s a power in coming together to reflect that connects us, helps us >>> see ourselves in context, creates a coherent sense of “us” that complements >>> all of the “I’s”. So without the need to make decisions or come to >>> consensus, I suspect that long-lived self-organizing social systems create >>> a rhythm in which the whole (or a sufficient subset of it) comes together >>> periodically. >>> >>> As an example, a few years back, I learned of a group of African Americans >>> that met informally for Saturday breakfast in Tacoma, Washington once a >>> week for thirty-five years. This gathering became the backbone of the >>> African American community in that city. It was the place to connect, to >>> learn what was happening, to share ideas, to find partners, etc. No one in >>> charge, just part of the rhythm of the community. And lots of activities >>> emerged from it. >>> >>> Peggy >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Peggy Holman >>> Journalism that Matters >>> 15347 SE 49th Place >>> Bellevue, WA 98006 >>> 425-746-6274 >>> www.journalismthatmatters.org >>> www.peggyholman.com >>> Twitter: @peggyholman >>> JTM Twitter: @JTMStream >>> >>> Enjoy the award winning Engaging Emergence: Turning Upheaval into >>> Opportunity >>> Check out my series on what's emerging in the news & information ecosystem >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:50 AM, Christine < [email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Harrison, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your answer >>>> >>>> What do you mean exactely with the law of 2 feet ? >>>> >>>> Christine Koehler >>>> 06 13 28 71 38 >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 9 janv. 2014 à 17:27, "Harrison Owen" < [email protected]> a écrit : >>>> >>>>> I’m awake now (Thank you Michael). And Christine – to your questions and >>>>> my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> “In a self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent >>>>> as a whole ? >>>>> >>>>> How do you make decisions that concern the whole organization ?” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think the simple answer may be, “You don’t (make decisions or maintain >>>>> coherency). The System does – which is in a way the essence of >>>>> self-organization. I think one way of understanding self organization is >>>>> that it is the systemic response to a changing environment in order to >>>>> maintain internal and external coherence... a complicated way of saying >>>>> that the system wants to get along in the world in a positive fashion. >>>>> Part of maintaining that systemic coherence is by making a whole bunch of >>>>> decisions – none, or few, of which are made by a vote or executive >>>>> dictate. A powerful mechanism in this regard is our old friend, “The Law >>>>> of Two feet.” – I think. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ho >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Harrison Owen >>>>> >>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>>> >>>>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>>>> >>>>> USA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) >>>>> >>>>> Camden, Maine 04843 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Phone 301-365-2093 >>>>> >>>>> (summer) 207-763-3261 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>>> >>>>> www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >>>>> OSLIST Go >>>>> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of christine >>>>> koehler >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 5:30 PM >>>>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >>>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] From linkedin today >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Harrison, >>>>> >>>>> In a self -organized system, how do you keep the organization coherent >>>>> as a whole ? >>>>> >>>>> How do you make decisions that concern the whole organization ? >>>>> >>>>> Christine >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM, Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Paul – This piece from Zappos is interesting indeed. Though I must say I >>>>> do wonder why the Zapposites feel it necessary to organize a self >>>>> organizing system? As they say, “In a city, people and businesses are >>>>> self-organizing.” I agree, and why not just follow the beaten path? >>>>> Holarchy is a wonderful concept, and a good description of what I think I >>>>> experience in a self organizing system. But why go for a knock-off when >>>>> you can have the original? Just let (invite) the system to self organize. >>>>> It will work better, and costs a lot less effort. As Stuart Kauffman >>>>> might say, “order for free.” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Harrison >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Harrison Owen >>>>> >>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>>> >>>>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>>>> >>>>> USA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 189 Beaucaire Ave. (summer) >>>>> >>>>> Camden, Maine 04843 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Phone 301-365-2093 >>>>> >>>>> (summer) 207-763-3261 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>>> >>>>> www.ho-image.com (Personal Website) >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >>>>> OSLIST Go >>>>> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Nunesdea >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:51 PM >>>>> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list >>>>> Subject: [OSList] From linkedin today >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Research shows that every time the size of a city doubles, innovation or >>>>> productivity per resident increases by 15 percent. But when companies get >>>>> bigger, innovation or productivity per employee generally goes down. So >>>>> we're trying to figure out how to structure Zappos more like a city, and >>>>> less like a bureaucratic corporation. In a city, people and businesses >>>>> are self-organizing. We're trying to do the same thing by switching from >>>>> a normal hierarchical structure to a system called Holacracy, which >>>>> enables employees to act more like entrepreneurs and self-direct their >>>>> work instead of reporting to a manager who tells them what to do. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pam-ross/workplace-reinvention_b_4541805.html#! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From my iPad >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSList mailing list >>>>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Executive Coach, Médiateur >>>>> www.christine-koehler.fr >>>>> Tel : 06 13 28 71 38 >>>>> Fax : 09 72 32 36 65 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSList mailing list >>>>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list >>>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Executive Coach, Médiateur >> www.christine-koehler.fr >> Tel : 06 13 28 71 38 >> Fax : 09 72 32 36 65 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > -- > > David Osborne > > > > www.change-fusion.com | [email protected] | 703.939.1777 > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
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