Of course, why would they show up if they had no intention to engage? and then there are bumblebees and butterflies who, by appearance, seldom seem to engage (with the group) at a deep level . . .
yet they do have impact on the experience for everyone . . . So it's OK to show and engage - or not. I think . . . b *Barry Owen* *Real Estate Strategist* Founder/Principal Broker *Pareto Realty, LLC *\pə-ˈrā-(ˌ)tō\ <http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=bixpar02&word=Pareto&text=%5Cp%C9%99-%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%88%3C%2FSPAN%3Er%C4%81-(%3CSPAN%20class%3Dunicode%3E%CB%8C%3C%2FSPAN%3E)t%C5%8D%5C> *The Vital Few* 4012 Hillsboro Pike #5 Nashville, TN 37215 Office: 615-502-2080 Connect: *615-568-2123* Twitter <http://twitter.com/#!/barryowen>, Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/barryo06>, Linkedin <http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=15553654&trk=tab_pro> WhyJoinParetoRealty.com <http://whyjoinparetorealty.com/> ParetoRealty.com <http://paretorealty.com/> *BarryOwensBlog.com <http://barryowensblog.com/>* On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Dan Mezick via OSList < [email protected]> wrote: > Wait. Isnt the entire goal of inviting someone to go somewhere or do > sometjing to engage them in the actvity? Perhaps a quick reference check on > the definition of /invitation and /engagement might help? > > Do we really want people to show up and not engage or disengage? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:10 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I guess one important point is the meaning of engagement itself - my > personal feeling is that the word engagement incorporates a sort of > judgement. Engagement in what? How can you say people is not engaged? And > what does it mean engagement? Normally the translation of what a leader > calls "lack of engagement" for me is "they are not doing what I think they > should do". > > I think that the concept of engagement belongs to the traditional form of > leadership and it's far away from the kind of leadership that can show up > in an open space. It's a different paradigm based as MMP said on self > organisation and on the invitation that as HO said is an invitation only if > can be can be refused. > ge > > > > *PRIMA CONFERENZA ITALIANA FACILITATORI - MILANO 20 22 OTTOBRE 2016 > <http://www.loci.it/?id=1795&s=2>* > > Office: Via A. Volta 6 - 20121 Milano – Italy > Phone: +39 3293281343 - Fax: +39 02 87151318 - Skype: gerardodeluz > *[email protected] <[email protected]>* - *www.loci.it <http://www.loci.it> * > > > <http://www.scuolafacilitazione.it> > > *Please consider the environment before deciding to print this e-mail* > > This e-mail (and any attachment(s)) is strictly confidential and for use > only by intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient(s), > please notify it via e-mail at [email protected] > <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/1/blocked::mailto:[email protected]> promptly > > 2016-08-15 21:36 GMT+02:00 Birgitt Williams via OSList < > [email protected]>: > >> Great points about authentic invitation to engage...and cultural >> differences. To this part of the conversation, I add the concept of >> 'informed consent'. If I am extended an authentic invitation, and I reflect >> about whether my energy feels in harmony with it or not, I have a certain >> amount and quality of information that I need so that I am making an >> authentic consent to show up and fully engage. What is the information that >> I need so I can go beyond simply accepting the invitation....to providing >> informed consent? Even in cultures where there are reprisals for stepping >> out as an individual, I may choose to participate based on informed consent >> including of the risks to me. >> >> And to Michael's points about self organization...there is a possibility >> of something that I don't call self organization. Within the enabling >> conditions created for engagement, there are options for people to feel >> inspired to access their personal leadership, alignment with the collective >> vision, sense of being in community with each other and self management. >> Spirit at work....if through our personal leadership we allow it to be so. >> >> There is a connection between authentic invitation, informed consent, >> personal leadership for engagement, and allowing Spirit to do the work of >> Spirit. >> >> Warmly, >> Birgitt >> >> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks all for this conversation. >>> >>> "*having the conditions for engagement*" is definitely about "*an >>> authentic invitation to engage*" and I think it is much more than that >>> as well. >>> >>> For me it brings in the history and experience of the participants, and >>> what sort of experiences they have had. It also brings in culture and what >>> participants are used to. I live/work in a country where taking initiative >>> was a no-no for 60 years. I have also worked in countries where stepping >>> out as an individual is seen as very dangerous. >>> >>> So creating the conditions for engagement and personal leadership is a >>> really deep question! >>> >>> >>> Smiles Bhav... >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10 August 2016 at 22:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Birgitt, Harrison, Eva for this question! >>>> >>>> Engagement is considered very valuable. There's been an annual gallup >>>> poll around U.S. employee engagement levels, and the latest one shows it's >>>> only 32%. They're participating as employees, but they're not really >>>> showing up. http://www.gallup.com/poll/188 >>>> 144/employee-engagement-stagnant-2015.aspx >>>> >>>> Gallup has estimated the cost of this lack of engagement is "$450 >>>> billion to $550 billion in lost productivity per year". >>>> http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/162953/tackle-employee >>>> s-stagnating-engagement.aspx >>>> >>>> I'm not the origin of this story, and I doubt it really started with >>>> the formal use of Open Space in bringing Agile practices into software >>>> organizations (thank you Daniel Mezick!), but engagement is really >>>> considered critical in getting a successful and lasting shift towards agile >>>> processes and an agile mindset. >>>> >>>> Although Open Space doesn't guarantee engagement, it does prevent a >>>> critical factor in this lack of engagement. Which is enforced >>>> participation. Open Space helps show how space actually is open for people >>>> to step forward for what they love as an act of service (thank you Peggy >>>> Holman for showing me this way of thinking about Open Space). >>>> >>>> Unless we offer >>>> >>>> an authentic invitation to engage, one that is welcoming as well as >>>> being an invitation we can safely decline, the most we can get is their >>>> butts into the room. We won't get their hearts. >>>> >>>> Can we coerce engagement? Full engagement? My sense is no. Maybe we can >>>> trick people, but engagement by fraud isn't real engagement. >>>> >>>> Harold >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/10/16 10:05 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Birgitt and al, >>>> great distinction, I so often experience that there are great >>>> engagement in an Open Space Technology meeting and also in the follow up >>>> meeting afterwards but when it comes to action planning people suddenly >>>> start to look down, the voices becomes more silent etc and it’s difficult >>>> to get the energy for actions. >>>> I will here after talk about both participation and engagement and what >>>> that means for the participants and the sponsors. >>>> :o) >>>> Eva >>>> >>>> Bästa hälsningar >>>> >>>> >>>> Eva P Svensson >>>> >>>> >>>> *EPS Human Invest AB* >>>> *Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc* >>>> *Medlem i Beyond Performance Group* >>>> >>>> >>>> *"Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående >>>> företag och organisationer"* >>>> >>>> >>>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA >>>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg >>>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50 >>>> www.epshumaninvest.se >>>> Skype: eva.p.svensson >>>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB >>>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson >>>> >>>> *"Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor >>>> till dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 16:38 skrev Birgitt Williams via OSList < >>>> [email protected]>: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Harrison...one of the aspects of you that I love is that when you >>>> participate, you engage. >>>> >>>> I witness many people participating and appearing engaged. And yet upon >>>> probing after a participatory meeting, engagement was not sufficient to >>>> create follow on action. I feel that this distinction between having a >>>> participatory meeting and having the conditions for engagement is important >>>> somehow. >>>> >>>> Blessings, >>>> Birgitt >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:52 PM Harrison Owen <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Love to participate… and engage. So what so I do? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ho >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Winter Address >>>>> >>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>>> >>>>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>>>> >>>>> 301-365-2093 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Summer Address >>>>> >>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave >>>>> >>>>> Camden, ME 04843 >>>>> >>>>> 207 763-3261 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Websites >>>>> >>>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>>> >>>>> www.ho-image.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Birgitt Williams via OSList >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:49 AM >>>>> *To:* OS list >>>>> *Subject:* [OSList] a substantial difference >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear friends and colleagues, >>>>> >>>>> One important question is "do you want to participate?". Hence >>>>> participatory methods. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Another important question is "do you want to engage?". A totally >>>>> different question with a different energy, both in its inquiry and its >>>>> answer. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The question that we align ourselves with as facilitators makes a >>>>> substantial difference in our approach. I am wondering about the impact on >>>>> our outcomes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Make a great day! >>>>> >>>>> Birgitt >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Birgitt Williams >>>> >>>> >>>> President & Senior Consultant of Dalar International Consultancy, Inc. >>>> >>>> http://www.dalarinternational.com >>>> >>>> Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network >>>> http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com >>>> >>>> Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The Genuine >>>> Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership >>>> http://www.genuinecontactway.com >>>> >>>> Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd. >>>> http://www.genuinecontact.net >>>> >>>> >>>> *Supporting leadership development for leading in a culture requiring >>>> agility and flexibility in a performance environment of constant change.* >>>> >>>> >>>> Leadership development at your own pace? 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