Wait. Isnt the entire goal of inviting someone to go somewhere or do sometjing to engage them in the actvity? Perhaps a quick reference check on the definition of /invitation and /engagement might help?
Do we really want people to show up and not engage or disengage? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 4:10 AM, gerardo de luzenberger via OSList > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I guess one important point is the meaning of engagement itself - my personal > feeling is that the word engagement incorporates a sort of judgement. > Engagement in what? How can you say people is not engaged? And what does it > mean engagement? Normally the translation of what a leader calls "lack of > engagement" for me is "they are not doing what I think they should do". > > I think that the concept of engagement belongs to the traditional form of > leadership and it's far away from the kind of leadership that can show up in > an open space. It's a different paradigm based as MMP said on self > organisation and on the invitation that as HO said is an invitation only if > can be can be refused. > ge > > > > > > > PRIMA CONFERENZA ITALIANA FACILITATORI - MILANO 20 22 OTTOBRE 2016 > > > Office: Via A. Volta 6 - 20121 Milano – Italy > Phone: +39 3293281343 - Fax: +39 02 87151318 - Skype: gerardodeluz > [email protected] - www.loci.it > > > > > > Please consider the environment before deciding to print this e-mail > > This e-mail (and any attachment(s)) is strictly confidential and for use only > by intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient(s), please > notify it via e-mail at [email protected] promptly > > > 2016-08-15 21:36 GMT+02:00 Birgitt Williams via OSList > <[email protected]>: >> Great points about authentic invitation to engage...and cultural >> differences. To this part of the conversation, I add the concept of >> 'informed consent'. If I am extended an authentic invitation, and I reflect >> about whether my energy feels in harmony with it or not, I have a certain >> amount and quality of information that I need so that I am making an >> authentic consent to show up and fully engage. What is the information that >> I need so I can go beyond simply accepting the invitation....to providing >> informed consent? Even in cultures where there are reprisals for stepping >> out as an individual, I may choose to participate based on informed consent >> including of the risks to me. >> >> And to Michael's points about self organization...there is a possibility of >> something that I don't call self organization. Within the enabling >> conditions created for engagement, there are options for people to feel >> inspired to access their personal leadership, alignment with the collective >> vision, sense of being in community with each other and self management. >> Spirit at work....if through our personal leadership we allow it to be so. >> >> There is a connection between authentic invitation, informed consent, >> personal leadership for engagement, and allowing Spirit to do the work of >> Spirit. >> >> Warmly, >> Birgitt >> >>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:39 AM Bhavesh Patel via OSList >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Thanks all for this conversation. >>> >>> "having the conditions for engagement" is definitely about "an authentic >>> invitation to engage" and I think it is much more than that as well. >>> >>> For me it brings in the history and experience of the participants, and >>> what sort of experiences they have had. It also brings in culture and what >>> participants are used to. I live/work in a country where taking initiative >>> was a no-no for 60 years. I have also worked in countries where stepping >>> out as an individual is seen as very dangerous. >>> >>> So creating the conditions for engagement and personal leadership is a >>> really deep question! >>> >>> >>> Smiles Bhav... >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 10 August 2016 at 22:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Thanks Birgitt, Harrison, Eva for this question! >>>> >>>> Engagement is considered very valuable. There's been an annual gallup poll >>>> around U.S. employee engagement levels, and the latest one shows it's only >>>> 32%. They're participating as employees, but they're not really showing >>>> up. >>>> http://www.gallup.com/poll/188144/employee-engagement-stagnant-2015.aspx >>>> >>>> Gallup has estimated the cost of this lack of engagement is "$450 billion >>>> to $550 billion in lost productivity per year". >>>> http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/162953/tackle-employees-stagnating-engagement.aspx >>>> >>>> I'm not the origin of this story, and I doubt it really started with >>>> the formal use of Open Space in bringing Agile practices into software >>>> organizations (thank you Daniel Mezick!), but engagement is really >>>> considered critical in getting a successful and lasting shift towards >>>> agile processes and an agile mindset. >>>> >>>> Although Open Space doesn't guarantee engagement, it does prevent a >>>> critical factor in this lack of engagement. Which is enforced >>>> participation. Open Space helps show how space actually is open for people >>>> to step forward for what they love as an act of service (thank you Peggy >>>> Holman for showing me this way of thinking about Open Space). >>>> >>>> Unless we offer an authentic invitation to engage, one that is >>>> welcoming as well as being an invitation we can safely decline, the most >>>> we can get is their butts into the room. We won't get their hearts. >>>> >>>> Can we coerce engagement? Full engagement? My sense is no. Maybe we can >>>> trick people, but engagement by fraud isn't real engagement. >>>> >>>> Harold >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8/10/16 10:05 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote: >>>>> Hi Birgitt and al, >>>>> great distinction, I so often experience that there are great engagement >>>>> in an Open Space Technology meeting and also in the follow up meeting >>>>> afterwards but when it comes to action planning people suddenly start to >>>>> look down, the voices becomes more silent etc and it’s difficult to get >>>>> the energy for actions. >>>>> I will here after talk about both participation and engagement and what >>>>> that means for the participants and the sponsors. >>>>> :o) >>>>> Eva >>>>> >>>>> Bästa hälsningar >>>>> >>>>> Eva P Svensson >>>>> >>>>> EPS Human Invest AB >>>>> Co owner Genuine Contact Group Inc >>>>> Medlem i Beyond Performance Group >>>>> >>>>> "Verksamhetsutveckling genom människor skapar långsiktigt välmående >>>>> företag och organisationer" >>>>> >>>>> Anåsbergsvägen 22, 439 34 ONSALA >>>>> Besöksadress; Norra Allégatan 8, Göteborg >>>>> Tfn: 0300-615 05, Mobil; 0706- 89 85 50 >>>>> www.epshumaninvest.se >>>>> Skype: eva.p.svensson >>>>> Facebook sida: EPS Human Invest AB >>>>> twitter:@EvaPSvensson >>>>> >>>>> "Jag kan inte lära dig något. Allt jag kan göra är att ställa frågor till >>>>> dig, och låta dig själv finna svaren." Sokrates >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 16:38 skrev Birgitt Williams via OSList >>>>>> <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Harrison...one of the aspects of you that I love is that when you >>>>>> participate, you engage. >>>>>> >>>>>> I witness many people participating and appearing engaged. And yet upon >>>>>> probing after a participatory meeting, engagement was not sufficient to >>>>>> create follow on action. I feel that this distinction between having a >>>>>> participatory meeting and having the conditions for engagement is >>>>>> important somehow. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blessings, >>>>>> Birgitt >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 5:52 PM Harrison Owen <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Love to participate… and engage. So what so I do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ho >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Winter Address >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 301-365-2093 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Summer Address >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 207 763-3261 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Websites >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.ho-image.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: OSList [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Birgitt Williams via OSList >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 8:49 AM >>>>>>> To: OS list >>>>>>> Subject: [OSList] a substantial difference >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear friends and colleagues, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One important question is "do you want to participate?". Hence >>>>>>> participatory methods. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Another important question is "do you want to engage?". A totally >>>>>>> different question with a different energy, both in its inquiry and its >>>>>>> answer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The question that we align ourselves with as facilitators makes a >>>>>>> substantial difference in our approach. I am wondering about the impact >>>>>>> on our outcomes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Make a great day! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Birgitt >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Birgitt Williams >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> President & Senior Consultant of Dalar International Consultancy, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.dalarinternational.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network >>>>>> http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The >>>>>> Genuine Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership >>>>>> http://www.genuinecontactway.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd. >>>>>> http://www.genuinecontact.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Supporting leadership development for leading in a culture requiring >>>>>> agility and flexibility in a performance environment of constant change. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Leadership development at your own pace? 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