This is not only sage but also in line with "never work harder than you have to". That piece of "advice" supports a type of facilitation that focuses on peacemaking and not on hosting.

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On 15.08.2016 16:41, Harrison Owen via OSList wrote:
REAL invitations are (in my book) those that can be refused. The
understanding of that “latitude” is very culturally specific, I find.
But members of a particular culture rarely, if ever make a mistake. It
may just be  matter of a raised eyebrow, “inside” code word – but they
“get it.” All of the above may just seem like academic garbage (probably
true) – but for me it is the central reason why the invitation must be
created and issued by “the folks” and  NOT the facilitator. Certainly we
can help, but we will never know the language.



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Thanks all for this conversation.

"/having the conditions for engagement/" is definitely about "/​//an
authentic invitation to engage/" and I think it is much more than that
as well.

For me it brings in the history and experience of the participants, and
what sort of experiences they have had. It also brings in culture and
what participants are used to. I live/work in a country where taking
initiative was a no-no for 60 years. I have also worked in countries
where stepping out as an individual is seen as very dangerous.

So creating the conditions for engagement and personal leadership is a
really deep question!

Smiles Bhav...



On 10 August 2016 at 22:50, Harold Shinsato via OSList
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Thanks Birgitt, Harrison, Eva for this question!

Engagement is considered very valuable. There's been an annual gallup
poll around U.S. employee engagement levels, and the latest one shows
it's only 32%. They're participating as employees, but they're not
really showing up.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/188144/employee-engagement-stagnant-2015.aspx

Gallup has estimated the cost of this lack of engagement is "$450
billion to $550 billion in lost productivity per year".
http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/162953/tackle-employees-stagnating-engagement.aspx

I'm not the origin of this story, and I doubt it really started with the
formal use of Open Space in bringing Agile practices into software
organizations (thank you Daniel Mezick!), but engagement is really
considered critical in getting a successful and lasting shift towards
agile processes and an agile mindset.

Although Open Space doesn't guarantee engagement, it does prevent a
critical factor in this lack of engagement. Which is enforced
participation. Open Space helps show how space actually is open for
people to step forward for what they love as an act of service (thank
you Peggy Holman for showing me this way of thinking about Open Space).

Unless we offer

​​

an authentic invitation to engage, one that is welcoming as well as
being an invitation we can safely decline, the most we can get is their
butts into the room. We won't get their hearts.

Can we coerce engagement? Full engagement? My sense is no. Maybe we can
trick people, but engagement by fraud isn't real engagement.

    Harold



On 8/10/16 10:05 AM, Eva P Svensson via OSList wrote:

    Hi Birgitt and al,

    great distinction, I so often experience that there are great
    engagement in an Open Space Technology meeting and also in the
    follow up meeting afterwards but when it comes to action planning
    people suddenly start to look down, the voices becomes more silent
    etc and it’s difficult to get the energy for actions.

    I will here after talk about both participation and engagement and
    what that means for the participants and the sponsors.

    :o)

    Eva


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        Harrison...one of the aspects of you that I love is that when
        you participate, you engage.



        I witness many people participating and appearing engaged. And
        yet upon probing after a participatory meeting, engagement was
        not sufficient to create follow on action. I feel that this
        distinction between having a participatory meeting and having
        the conditions for engagement is important somehow.



        Blessings,

        Birgitt



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            Love to participate… and engage. So what so I do?



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            Dear friends and colleagues,

            One important question is "do you want to participate?".
            Hence participatory methods.



            Another important question is "do you want to engage?".  A
            totally different question with a different energy, both in
            its inquiry and its answer.



            The question that we align ourselves with as facilitators
            makes a substantial difference in our approach. I am
            wondering about the impact on our outcomes.



            Make a great day!

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