On Sep 8, 2008, at 11:31 AM, Charles Bennett wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Kevin Callahan wrote: > >> let's put things in perspective (and you know I've been critical of >> Obama): >> >> McCain thought going into Iraq was a GOOD thing ... >> he also said that going in was right even though Saddam had no WMD >> and >> was not involved with Al-Qaeda > > Clinton made regime change US policy before any of the rest of the > stuff happened.. > > Good idea or bad, it was official policy.
Regime change doesn't necessarily mean bombing the shit out of the country. It was a bad idea ** OBVIOUSLY ** McCain thought it was a good idea and he still thinks it was the right thing to do PERIOD! > > > Even granting that it was a bad idea. He still cornered himself by > denying the surge worked then admitting it to O'Reilly of all people, > with provisions (that will *never* be quoted by the press) i agree with that .. and I am the one to bring it to this list .. Obama has made some stupid comments but McCain got us into this war .. and has no business being President for making such an egregious foreign policy mistake I can't comment on the below at the moment ... gotta run > > >> >> >> the above alone disqualifies McCain from being President >> >> regarding taxes .. >> Obama is lowering taxes on 95% of tax payers > > Currently 38% of the population don't pay any federal taxes at all. > WIth the incentive check fully 50% won't this year. > > Unless you give them money for not working, you can't cut their taxes > (whatever % of 0 is still 0 ) > > <http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031678,obamamccaintaxplans.article >> > > has a fair look at it. > > the 0- 38k (bottom two) don't pay federal so the 892 lesson Obama's > side and the 113 less on the McCain side are meaningless. > > My problem is that the 227k plus folks include a lot of small business > owners and if you increase their taxes you either stop job growth or > push inflation as they raise their rates to make up for the tax > increase. (You don't think that small businesses *actually* pay taxes > right? They just pass them along as part of the cost of goods and > services, to the consumer) > > if you are making exactly 227k an additional 23k is a darn big > increase. OTOH, those folks aren't voting for him anyway.. > > If it was just about money, I'd be +- 1k either way until my wife > finally gets a full ER docs wages. then combined we would be "rich" > and screwed. > > if you get to the 1 million plus folks then ok, but that won't make > the numbers balance. > > >> >> >> the pay grade quote? he explained that in a thoughtful, non-sound- >> bite manner on 60 minutes ... >> you can find it online > > Actually I did listen to the whole thing and I agree with you, but it > was still used against him pretty effectively. Wasn't that the > session where McCain was accused of knowing the questions in advance. > (it's pretty bad when someone outperforms you to the point that you > think they *must* be cheating.) > > >> >> >> as for signing up for military ... he said "we weren't engaged in an >> active military conflict" >> >> in other words, if there was a war worth fighting for, he'd consider >> signing up for it >> > > > I'd love to have him on a lie detector for that question. > > I'm just not buying it at all. He's trying to make it sound like he > would have willingly served but the rest of his life just makes that > claim seem like BS. He was running the Lawyer -> Politician route > all the way but now he's scared that he has no cred in the military > area. > > Combined military experience of Biden and Obama = 0 > > McCain simply kicks his butt there. > > >> he doesn't like to fight dumb wars .. as in the war in Iraq > > He could have been in the first gulf war no? It wasn't a "dumb" > war. Iraq invaded a sovereign nation. (violating the Carter > Doctrine btw..) by his statement he should have rushed out and > joined. > > He'd would do better just to remain quiet. The Military already has > his number. The Right isn't going to vote for him either way, so who > is he trying to appeal to with that statement? > > All he does is provide sound bites to be used against him, that are > likely lies anyway.. > > Politically, I don't get it. > > >> >> >> Obama isn't perfect, but McCain is far worse. > > That may be. But he got where he is by not being like McCain and not > pretending to be mini-McCain. > I just don't understand what he hopes to gain with this change of > direction. > > Just from a purely political point of view those words are going to > haunt him since they provide tons of fodder. > > =c= > _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
