If anyone is interested, The Age has an article that talks about how they are moving to 1GB on the NBN:
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/one-gigabit-available-on-nbn-this-month-20131206-hv4pg.html In the article it states that the cost of a CVC connection is $20,000, but that it is likely to be shared between 3000 connections. So the total cost, if the ISP gets full take up, is $6.66 per connection. ($20,000 / 3000 = $6.66) So the full wholesale cost in this scenario would be $150 + $6.66 = $156.66. This makes the $200 for 1GB possible, however it will probably be somewhere between $200 per month and $300 per month. It is also likely that the ISPs will not have to pay CVC until a higher number of connections is achieved during the setup period. So $20,000 or $6.66. You just have to decide which one is more plausible. I guess we'll see when the ISPs start offering 1GBps connections, which could be quite soon. On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: > Its quite simple really. The whole premise of CVC being delivered to 93% > of the population is bogus and deceptive. This is the statement that was > suggested. The statement was factually correct but based on a complete lie. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > ------------------------------ > From: David Connors > Sent: 12/11/2013 8:38 PM > To: ozDotNet > Subject: Re: NBN Petition > > On 12 November 2013 17:50, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> (Mind you, this is what is supposed to be in the NBN plan - >> >> The NBNCo Corporate Plan contains these examples on page 67: >> * The 1Gbps AVC price will fall from $150 to $90 (40% decrease) while the >> average speed increases from 30Mbps to 230Mbps (760% increase) >> * CVC pricing starts at $20Mbps/month when average data usage is >> 30GB/month and falls to $8/Mbps/month when average data usage is >> 540GB/month. Price falls by 2.5 times, while the average data usage grows >> by 18 times, which means 720% growth in revenue from CVC when accounting >> for price falls. >> >> ) >> > > Are you talking about this: > http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/nbn-co-corporate-plan-6-aug-2012.pdf > > ? > > Page 67 says nothing of the sort. I *think* what they're saying is that > they are factoring in the 'no charge until 30001st premise in an area gets > installed' as a form of discount, which is pretty rubbery accounting. > > To put page 67 in laymans terms, the first 150mbps of capacity in the > service area (keeping in mind that might be 70,000+ premises) is free. > > I believe I read in the draft NBN document that they were intending the >> wholesale price to be $150 per month for a 1Gbps FTTH connection in >> Australia. So the least deceptive answer is that you could have a 1Gbps >> connection for $150 per month plus the cost of the ISP service. >> > > Nope. $150 of AVC + the ISP Service + CVC. > > Even if the price of CVC dropped to $8/mbps/month, then that would still > be 800% higher than the forecasted cost of getting data from Europe to > Australia next year. i.e. 1mbps CIR from overseas to Brisbane = $1, getting > it across Brisbane, $8. FAIL. > > >> They didn’t broadcast the fact because they assumed that everyone would >> expect the same behaviour that they are getting from just about every >> single internet connection in the country at the moment, and that is, you >> are likely to get speeds of 1Gbps from your ISP and then you’ll share a >> pipe to the rest of the net with the other customers of the ISP. >> > > I have to admit, you're the first advocate for CVC I've ever met. Once > explained to most people they are mortified. > > No one expects the NBN to deliver ANYTHING like what they are getting > today ... otherwise they would not advocate for the $ spend. > > >> Given that FTTN is going to suffer the exact same issue, do you think >> Malcolm Turnbull is going to stand on a podium and declare that there is >> also going to be capping or shaping within the new FTTN network? Oh, right, >> I forgot, they’re untouchable. >> > > Hey? I hang Turnbull out to dry on CVC earlier today on this very thread. > He is on the record, as is hackett, now we get to watch what happens. > > The fact we're even discussing a scenario where I can get data from Japan > to Brisbane for 1/20th the cost of getting it across Brisbane - and you're > saying this is somehow sane - beggars belief. > > The glimmer of hope I am hanging on to (as I said earlier) is that the > outspoken comments from the current board and from Turnbull re CVC stick > (i.e. Hackett has called for it to be scrapped or dropped to $1/mbps/month). > > If they want to revolutionise comms in the country, then they would have a > single access speed of heaps, kill CVC and offer layer 2 intercap services > at next to nix. That would be interesting and would truly enable things > like a national LAN for a soho business, remote workers in country towns > seamlessly on the corporate network, etc. > > Here is Simon Hackett’s preference, by the way. I believe it’s pro fibre: >> >> http://simonhackett.com/2013/07/17/nbn-fibre-on-a-copper-budget/ >> > > I wasn't aware we were talking about fibre. > > David. > >
