On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most distribution networks are natural monopolies – that usually leads > to a sub-optimal market outcome (under-production of the good, as the > monopolist doesn’t face the same marginal cost and revenue curves a free > market faces) > > > > Secondly, the first person that wants such a service generally “gets it in > the shorts”. Imagine we built the sewerage system, or the water > distribution system this way. It’d never get built (well, not in the type > of way we have today) because the first person (or handful of people) who > need such a service would face enormous sunk costs. > > > > Now, if we could find a way to spread the capital costs amongst a whole > lot of people, who’d agree that the cost was worth it if built at > economy-of-scale…then it might get built. That’s how we built the sewerage > system, the current copper network, the water mains, your residential > electricity supply, and so on. > > You're giving me an idea here. I live in a high density apartment, I figure if we can get even 10 people to pay for getting fibre to the apartments, the cost will go thru the floor. It'd be as easy to lay a 100 fibre bundle as a single, IMO. > > > Cheers > > Ken > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Cooney > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 November 2013 3:07 PM > > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* RE: NBN Petition > > > > I would have thought if it was worth it to you to have that fast internet > then you'd pay for it, and if it wasn't worth it then you wouldn't. That's > how markets usually work. > > On 5 Nov 2013 14:01, "Tony Wright" <[email protected]> wrote: > > To keep it simple, I can look at a single function and see what it would > be like under an NBN. > > > > Backups for disaster recovery. > > > > I currently backup to a NAS within my environment. The backup of a server > usually takes between 20 minutes and 1 hour, over my internal 1Gbps > network. I have Telstra Cable, which is 100Mbps download speed and 2Mbps > upload speed. If I want to backup offsite to ensure I don’t succumb to > risks such as fire, my current backup will take roughly 500 times as long > to backup to the cloud, and I currently have one of the fastest connections > you can get outside of the NBN. > > > > Will I go and fork out a few grand to backup for the extra fibre to the > node? The answer is no. I have better things to spend my capital on. > > > > Yet if I had a fast enough internet upload speed, I could backup all my > servers to the cloud within a practical timeframe. Economies of scale would > bring down the price of storage due to the volume of people that would be > backing up to the cloud. And it wouldn’t just be business, either. An > average person might want to set up backups from their home computers to > the cloud as well. During the backup process, virus detection could > identify people who had viruses and root kits on their machines during the > backup process and alert them straight away. This would significantly > reduce the amount of viruses getting around as well. Just a thought bubble. > > > > But, oh, no, there are no good reasons to have high speed internet are > there. > > > > Secondly, the entire purpose of the NBN was to replace the degrading and > antiquated copper wires. If there is an agreement that the copper wires > need replacing, and the Liberals obviously believe they don’t need > replacing, then the question is, what do we replace it with. The answer is, > that whatever we replace it with, we may as well get a decent speed out of > it at the same time. > > > > If the Liberals want to keep their copper, well good on them. But I don’t > know why the rest of us should have to suffer from their ignorance and > short sightedness. > > > > Only around 45% of the population voted for the Liberal Coalition (meaning > the Liberals, the Nationals, The Liberal National Party and the Country > Liberals). The other 55% voted for other parties that either had a > different opinion or no opinion on the NBN, and the difference on the two > party preferred vote is less than 4%. So no, I don’t think the election was > a petition at all. If 4 out of 100 people vote for a different government > at the next election, we would change governments again. The way the > politicians are behaving, perhaps we could get lucky. We got rid of Rudd > and Gillard at the last election, perhaps we could get rid of Abbott at the > next one. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Grant Maw > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 November 2013 2:20 PM > *To:* ozDotNet > *Subject:* Re: NBN Petition > > > > (petition == the will of the people) == rubbish. > > Obviously :) > > > > On 5 November 2013 13:10, Grant Maw <[email protected]> wrote: > > "I find your version of democracy very entertaining." > > Well the only alternative that I can see is getting people to vote on > every single issue. Is that what you are advocating? > > Petitions are, in general, useless, unless you have an alternative > petition for people NOT in favour of the proposal, AND you can get them to > participate. > > > > Petition == the will of the people == rubbish. > > > > > > > > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
