Thanks Carolyn I will track down that book! I defiantly
believe in the power of words and will continue to use "woman friendly" language
even though it often generates lively discussions. At least it is informing
people and making people think about what they are using.
Veronica
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Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 9:32
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Hi Veronica Wow, you seem to have your work cut out for
you. I will give you some good information to back up the validity and
the antiquity of the term VBAC.
Refer to the book Silent Knife:
Cesarean Prevention and Vaginal Birth after Cesarean (1983) Nancy Wainer Cohen
& Lois J Estner New York. This book is a must in the library of any
midwife supporting vbac women. "In the 1970s, more studies substaintiated
the safety of VBAC; yet women were still being sectioned more than 99percent
of the time. Still, the winds of change were blowing. In 1974,
Nancy coined the term "VBAC" and by 1975 she was hearing the acronym being
used all over the country and was seeing it in medical articles as well. "
page 94 Silent Knife
The book is getting quite old now,
but most of what is written still holds true today, and it is a confronting
and challenging book to give food for thought.
Congratulations Veronica
on being informed and up-to-date with the last 3 plus decades ;-) . Carolyn PS I was under the
impression that a woman who had never experienced pushing stage, would indeed
push just like a first time mother. Certainly was the case for my vbac,
took me ages to work out that oh this was pushing not more posterior labour
DERR! Veronica Herbert wrote:
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Dear all,
Once again I had to "explain" and defend the use of the
word VBAC. The response I got today was "Well I'm not going to change
what I say!" When I said the term had been around since the late 70's
(somebody said that on here so I hope it's right lol) they said they had
never heard of it. Well they have now!!! I went home on my tea break and
printed off copies of the paper that Carolyn (hope you don't mind
Carolyn) wrote and I placed a copy in the postnatal ward, labour ward,
special care nursery, and the tea room.
Another thing, we had a woman who was trying to have a
VBAC today and the Registrar that was on said she was only allowed to push
for 20 minutes and then she was to have a vaccuum extraction, if she hadn't
pushed it out. Now I'm no expert on VBAC's but I thought that that was
a little unfair, since in her last labour she had only got to 4cm
dilated, and she had never been through second stage. Any thoughts?/?
By the way, she got to about 5cms and was in good established labour
managing well, had a V.E (was quite disappointed that she was "Half way"),
had pethidine, contractions eased off and she went for a C/S!
from Veronica Herbert
(Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat)
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Sent:
Monday, September 23, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
Dear Lynne
It is good to hear that you don't use ECG for
vbac. Could you send me some policies regarding this (I hate
policies but they seem to be the 'in thing' at the moment and we need
those who LOVE policies to start to listen.) Where do you
work?
We would also like some stats to back the
success of vbac without ECG.
Could I send you a petition for your
(obviously intelligent, well run, women focused) place of employment to
sign. Our RANZCOG state committee are trying their DARNDEST to get
vbac out of the realm of normal and back into the good old High Risk
category.
Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith & love...
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Sent:
Monday, September 23, 2002 7:09 PM
Subject:
Re: [ozmidwifery] vbac
We don't use continuous EFM for women
planning vaginal birth following caesarean, and they use the tub too.
Yes, it IS a safe and 'viable' option for women, and the percentage of
women giving birth vaginally (since numerical values seem to have
more street cred than the experience, as far as you-know-who is
concerned) at our unit has consistently been in the high 80's to
90's.
Passion of mine!!!
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Monday, September 23, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject:
[ozmidwifery] vbac
hi
everyone, I am wanting to know if anyone can help with a petition
being conducted through CARES to maintain vbac is a safe and
viable option in birth centres. The word is that the new
perinatal protocols will be calling for all vbacs to be monitored
by ECG and thus will remove them from birth centre care. I have
a hard copy petition and we are working on an online version but
need to know if there is anyone out there that I can send the hard
copy to get some signatures? I am calling on the maternity
coalition although I know everyone is busy with NMAP -I am too!!,
and also others who are willing to keep vbac safe from induction,
augmentation and the other wonderful types of care that can
increase the rates of rupture and decrease the woman focused
care. Please help as we need to move quickly on
this! cheers Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
phone: 08 8388 6918 birth
with trust, faith &
love...
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