Hi Rhonda
 
 yes you are lucky to be away from the chemicals and smog -youve got me thinking - 2 emergency hospital visits in two weeks for allergic reactions to food - I bet my whole system is overloaded -am eating veges and rice til I see an allergy spec next week.
 
I do remember working with mothercraft nurses (actually Karitane nurses as they were called in New Zealand way back then - dont know if NZ still has them) -great help to mums.
 
Guess its another case of economic rationalism gone silly - maybe with the help early mums wouldnt all end up in sleep schools. I just visited my daughters friend in Private hosp with new bub last week and thought how isolated she really was in her flash single room watching TV - notice on the wall announced the times to watch the parenting video -I guess that was done in isolation too. Perhaps that is what some mums want but by being so separate from other women how do they role model ie from more experienced mums/ get a taste of sharing experiences and feelings/ how do they know their own feelings are normal ?
 
Also just realised last night that I have been taking family members to a psychiatrist for the past almost 5 years (same guy) this guy is probably a fine medical Dr but he is also director of a mother baby unit so psecialises in PND - My lightbulb moment was that not once in all this time has he asked me "how are YOU managing? What support do you have? " Makes me wonder whether mums are simply offered babytraining as a cure or whether they are actually shown how to develop a support network -and how vital this is.
 
Pinky
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Rhonda
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!!

This is all since the Mothercraft nurses were taken out of the hospital system - our training was nothing like nursing and we did look at these sleep schools and see the dangers of it all.  They were just sort of starting up when i was studying and we  looked at times where they were and were not appropriate... and the support that parents needed and were not getting from the Health system - i found with my son even the infant welfare Nurse was hard to get to and not much help to me.  
  The support often given in the hospital by the Mothercraft who did not have the nursing duties and who specialised in helping mothers to do all the things that - I was never ever shown by a nurse during my hospital stay but taught many mothers during my training and i guess many other Mothers are not told or shown these things as the nurses I worked with had no idea - I had to teach one nurse how to bath a baby (she was working there and I was the student!)
 
Unfortunately the basic mothercraft training is not even done anymore.
 
I guess most people I know have had me to get in their ear about how normal their kids are and how to chill out and enjoy their babies etc.
 
And I am glad to live in the country and away from the stench of Melbourne - the smog and chemicals in the air cannot be healthy for anyone. LOL
 
regards
Rhonda.
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Saturday, March 15, 2003 14:33:45
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!!
 
You obviously dont live in Melbourne, Rhonda - fully booked "sleep schools" not only show the lack of confidence women have in their own ability, but perpetuate these feelings of inadequacy - that babies "should" behave / sleep whatever and therefore mothers must follow these awful perescriptive regimes - While I hear from mothers who have "failed " sleep school, I also keep hearing from professionals who believe they are saving large numbers of families who are "falling apart" due to sleep deprivation by sending them to "sleep school" some of these babies are VERY young. I would be interested in a followup study - I am sure all mothers need support -perhaps more doulas would be an answer -not the sleep training kind!
I am saddened that the maternal instinct to respond to babies is being so clouded by these myths of the sleeping baby - and that publishers keep the myth alive.
 
Pinky
 
 
I----- Original Message -----
From: Rhonda
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!!

 
I guess some women listen to it all but just as well most mothers laugh at the "professionals" and complain about the nurse saying this or the dr saying that - what would they know etc.
Pity that it seems to be that way - but from what I hear on the street ( at school and playgroup etc) women walk out of hospital totally confused thinking that the Nurses, Midwives and Dr's are all off a different planet and have no idea about the reality of being a parent.  Not all - as there are always exceptions but many!
 
Regards
Rhonda.
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: Friday, March 14, 2003 17:28:28
Subject: [ozmidwifery] "failure to sleep through the night"!!!
 
I was just flicking through the latest ANF Journal before chucking it out when the title "Frequent feeding clue to disrupted infant sleep"!! It was published in the "Archives of Disease in Childhood" by M. Nikoloulou and I. St. James-Roberts. These researchers identified "at risk" infants during their first week of life which put them at risk of failing to sleep through the night at 12 weeks of age!! Talk about turn normal physiology into an abnormality. They say that babies that feed more than 11 times per day at 1 week were 2.7 times more likely not to sleep through. Duh, aren't they supposed to be feeding frequently. There is no mention of the failure to thrive rate between the "control" group and the"behaviour program group". This program included maximising the difference between day and night, avoinding feeding and cuddling at night and from the age of three weeks gradually delaying feeds when the baby awoke at night!!
When will sense prevail. Those poor women out there, they must be so confused with nurses now taking that line.
Just annoyed
Jackie
 
 
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