RE: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday

[jo]

She hasn't had kids???? She's definately the amateur Pinky, some things you just have to experience in order to be an expert on it! Jo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKay Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 11:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday hi Nicole - Thanks for your support. It loosk like  I may end up against somebody else. I actually had a phone conversation with Tizzie today (she requested it by email) - her bark isnt near as bad as the bite we have  seen in Practical Parenting. She actually says she supports much of what I say, she would never "routine" a bub under 8 weeks  BUT - does believe in routines for bubs over 8 weeks and makes a packet selling her routines and articles from her website. I certainly don't agree with a lot of what I have read or  that if mothers feed 4 hourly - (the same time every day) they will make enough milk for their babies - ie their bubs will get a better feed than if they feed every 2 hours .  I actually pointed out that I dont believe mums should need to know what is a hunger cry - crying is a late hunger cue and got an agreement on that - BUT -she says,  its easier to teach stressed mums to do a routine than to teach them baby cues and they have nobody to learn that from. She seems to be very into the type of cry. She does have some commonsense ideas and thinks co-sleeping is a good option, but I wish she would stick to these rather than pushing stuff like the "deep end" approach etc that you would have read -this is her reaction to controlled crying and she says babies are only left while they are "tantrumming" not if they are upset and crying -its still somthing I couldnt do but I am happy to listen to anyone who will listen to me - I think its really the only way we can meet and perhaps change some things for babies -I feel the whole problem boils down to a total lack of support for mothering.   Tizzie has a PR person working for her (I feel like a total amateur in comparison, at least in that regard -I have had kids tho -she hasn't!) . She is concerned how she will be portrayed/ who they will make the "baddie" -ie they could be trying to recreate the Penelope Leach/ Gina Ford stoush (Im certainly no Gina Ford!! and am in total awe of Penelope) and also how this will confuse mothers. Her intentions sound good but I am not sure what to make of all this and havent had any news of the show being canned because she told me she was planning to "withdraw" - I am happy to go a round or two with anyone who does babytraining whoever it is and there are lots of horrific stories out there. If we can give "evidence" for our stance mothers are big enough to make responsible choices and babytraining isnt evidence based. pinky     ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicole Christensen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Thank goodness they asked YOU to challenge this woman advocating such awful ideas. I remember first seeing you on ACA a long while ago... where you were challenging controlled (er..'cruel')  crying. I e-mailed you immediately - as you spoke from my heart. Babies everywhere are SO lucky to have you as their very vocal advocate!!!  x x x x x Go Pinky!!!   Nicole   -- Original Message ----- From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re Today show on Monday Hi all, I will be on the Today Show on Monday  at 8.10am - debating agaisnt Tizzie Hall sleep"expert". She's a former UK childcare worker who advocates strict routines for babies -you probably all know what I think of that and this is why they have asked me -I think they are wanting a "stoush" a la Penelope Leach and Gina Ford!   Pinky