Look, I appreciate the passion that is shown by the people on the list, and if a side effect of taking this indirect route to giving feedback is that it does affect some small change then that's great. Personally I think that the creative energy and enthusiasm could be used for better purposes. And after all, we are talking about the Microsoft Corporate Marketing site after all... I mean if you really wanted to criticise... where to start! :-)Kind Regards, Darren [email protected] http://2010wave.blogspot.com Kind Regards, Darren [email protected] http://2010wave.blogspot.com
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:29:09 +1100 Subject: Re: Silverlight site. From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Maybe change? The download progress has changed from the default to "Loading Silverlight Experience" since yesterday. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> wrote: Not really sure what we're trying to achieve with this conversation. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke [email protected] http://2010wave.blogspot.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:23:59 +1000 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] I must admit, I was underwhelmed. Ross McKinnon Michael Hill Jeweller A: 7 Smallwood Place, Murrarie QLD 4172, Australia P: +61 7 31663344 M: +61 413 128877 F: +61 7 33990949 E: [email protected] From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, 12 March 2010 11:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. I’d go even further than that. I’ve never worked for Microsoft so I don’t have a feel for the internal political struggles. My comments are purely as a developer. History tells us one of Microsoft’s greatest strengths lies in the creation and support of developer communities. From the dawn of (MS) time with Geekfest, throughout the monkey-boy Balmer days and until today, Microsoft’s mantra has been “developers developers developers developers developers...”. The developer community now has a life of it’s own, yet remains a cornerstone of Microsoft’s success. And Microsoft continues to innovate such that the community grows stronger, broader, and can react quicker than any other developer community. It’s an amazing thing to be a part of. Given all that, it is such a fantastic shame that Microsoft can’t get it together (and put the icing on the cake) as far as their developer product websites go. Somehow during the design of these sites, the message seems to become lost that developers are wonderful craftsmen and women with an insatiable desire for technical detail. It’s the ultimate let-down that we can’t point to a Microsoft showcase site and say “this is what it’s all about”; instead we are ignore these dungheap sites Microsoft deploy every now and again and focus back inwards to our communities a little embarrassed by it all. I’m a proud Microsoft developer and I do love the company. But websites like this take a little bit of the shine off my pride when I know it could be just that much better. Hopefully this hasn’t been the ramblings of old hand. I will continue to love the company, and hope for the day I can come out as such. My opinions are my own yadda yadda yadda, Carl. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:50 PM To: ozSilverlight <[email protected]> Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. My vote is to fold mscom/expression and mscom/silverlight into Silverlight.NET Tim is touching only the tip of the iceberg, as having 4 sites all talking about the same thing is just counter-productive and it kind of makes me chuckle a bit as given the problem of XAML was to ensure both sides of the isle (developer <-> designer) collaborate. Yet the first thing Microsoft does is segregate the audiences? J It retards the potential for skill pollination (teach devs to design, and devs teach design to code etc) and if anything all it really does is bolster internal political and egos within (currently 4 factions duking it out over ownership rights :D) Now the stark reality is most sites in Microsoft only follow a typical quantitative analysis for their given sites, which is essentially a popularity contest in terms of traffic. Yet, the closer i looked at the data the more I saw nobody was really doing a qualitative analysis as had they done that, they'd see about 80% of the sites are actually utter failures and are offering zero value to their consumer base J "..as long as the graphs keep ascending to the upper right, it's no questions asked..." Silverlight.NET is really the only site that has value, the rest are just mediocrity being celebrated out loud. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:40 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. Welcome to the world of MSFT ;-0 Microsof.com/<product> are usually ‘marketing’ sites – displaying decision-maker information and case studies, etc. Silverlight.net serves as a developer community resources: forums, learning resources, samples, etc. -- *for developers* -th Tim Heuer | +1 (602) 405-4567 | Microsoft Silverlight blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: @timheuer From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: RE: RE: Silverlight site. What is the story with http://silverlight.net/ ? . Will it disappear? On a positive note it did enlighten me to the silverlight partner program. I haven't heard about that before. It sounds good, unless you fail to ship a site within 90 days :-) On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:50:25 +0530 wrote > My thoughts are that this site is basically a Tyre Fire on the horizonof the web. J From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Dunn >Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:47 PM >To: ozSilverlight >Subject: Re: RE: Silverlight site. oops - not a great advertisement for Silverlight's x-platformability http://twitpic.com/17uw53:-( in safari On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Vishwanath Humpy <[email protected]> wrote: is it not a schoolboy(girl)error to have the home page unavailable via the menus? > >once you navigate around you can't get back to the home page directly. > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]onbehalf Of Scott Barnes >Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:55 AM >>To: ozSilverlight >Subject: Silverlight site. http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight has been updated. Thoughts? 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