getting in the way of PROGRESS... in the wrong direction. BEFORE will ensure PROGRESS in the right direction :)
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Scott Barnes <[email protected]>wrote: > Realistically, BEFORE will never happen J as that's getting in the way of > progress ;) > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stephan Dekker > *Sent:* Monday, March 15, 2010 9:01 AM > *To:* ozSilverlight > *Subject:* Feedback on silverlight site > > > > I reckon that a lot of people on this list, me inclusive, wouldn’t mind > giving their opinion BEFORE the site goes live. Feedback afterwards doesn’t > seem to be that effective. > > > > Although I do understand, that as a development team, when you ask people > for feedback and you don’t follow their response (sometimes for good > reasons) that it’s an even worse message to the community. Still, I would > prefer the feedback before going live option and not see my feedback being > used, while I know that my opinion has a far greater chance of being used. > > > > Stephan > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes > *Sent:* Friday, 12 March 2010 4:26 PM > *To:* ozSilverlight > *Subject:* RE: Silverlight site. > > > > Keep in mind threads like this constantly are used as a spark of change > within the company. You'd be surprised at how fast policy or direction can > change when random threads like this get forwarded around to Microsoft > Staffers and Executives. The more you guys talk about this kind of thing > outloud, the more likely it impacts change but the trick is you often don't > know as its also kind of behind the scenes secret squirrel stuff. > > > > I've forwarded this thread to a few people in campus outlining "See, yet > another one for the evidence brief on why Experience Matters" > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Darren Neimke > *Sent:* Friday, March 12, 2010 12:20 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: Silverlight site. > > > > Look, I appreciate the passion that is shown by the people on the list, and > if a side effect of taking this indirect route to giving feedback is that it > does affect some small change then that's great. > > > > Personally I think that the creative energy and enthusiasm could be used > for better purposes. > > > > And after all, we are talking about the Microsoft Corporate Marketing site > after all... I mean if you really wanted to criticise... where to start! :-) > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > Darren Neimke > [email protected] > http://2010wave.blogspot.com > > > Kind Regards, > > Darren Neimke > [email protected] > http://2010wave.blogspot.com > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:29:09 +1100 > Subject: Re: Silverlight site. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > Maybe change? The download progress has changed from the default to > "Loading Silverlight Experience" since yesterday. > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Not really sure what we're trying to achieve with this conversation. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > Darren Neimke > [email protected] > http://2010wave.blogspot.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. > > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:23:59 +1000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > > I must admit, I was underwhelmed. > > > Ross McKinnon > > Michael Hill Jeweller > A: 7 Smallwood Place, Murrarie QLD 4172, Australia > P: +61 7 31663344 M: +61 413 128877 F: +61 7 33990949 > E: *[email protected]* > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, 12 March 2010 11:19 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. > > > I’d go even further than that. I’ve never worked for Microsoft so I don’t > have a feel for the internal political struggles. My comments are purely as > a developer. > > History tells us one of Microsoft’s greatest strengths lies in the creation > and support of developer communities. From the dawn of (MS) time with > Geekfest, throughout the monkey-boy Balmer days and until today, Microsoft’s > mantra has been “developers developers developers developers > developers...”. The developer community now has a life of it’s own, yet > remains a cornerstone of Microsoft’s success. And Microsoft continues to > innovate such that the community grows stronger, broader, and can react > quicker than any other developer community. It’s an amazing thing to be a > part of. > > Given all that, it is such a fantastic shame that Microsoft can’t get it > together (and put the icing on the cake) as far as their developer product > websites go. Somehow during the design of these sites, the message seems to > become lost that developers are wonderful craftsmen and women with an > insatiable desire for technical detail. It’s the ultimate let-down that we > can’t point to a Microsoft showcase site and say “this is what it’s all > about”; instead we are ignore these dungheap sites Microsoft deploy every > now and again and focus back inwards to our communities a little embarrassed > by it all. > > I’m a proud Microsoft developer and I do love the company. But websites > like this take a little bit of the shine off my pride when I know it could > be just that much better. > > Hopefully this hasn’t been the ramblings of old hand. I will continue to > love the company, and hope for the day I can come out as such. > > My opinions are my own yadda yadda yadda, > Carl. > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes < > [email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:50 PM > *To:* ozSilverlight <[email protected]> > *Subject:* RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. > > > My vote is to fold mscom/expression and mscom/silverlight into > Silverlight.NET > > Tim is touching only the tip of the iceberg, as having 4 sites all talking > about the same thing is just counter-productive and it kind of makes me > chuckle a bit as given the problem of XAML was to ensure both sides of the > isle (developer <-> designer) collaborate. Yet the first thing Microsoft > does is segregate the audiences? J It retards the potential for skill > pollination (teach devs to design, and devs teach design to code etc) and if > anything all it really does is bolster internal political and egos within > (currently 4 factions duking it out over ownership rights :D) > > Now the stark reality is most sites in Microsoft only follow a typical > quantitative analysis for their given sites, which is essentially a > popularity contest in terms of traffic. Yet, the closer i looked at the data > the more I saw nobody was really doing a qualitative analysis as had they > done that, they'd see about 80% of the sites are actually utter failures and > are offering zero value to their consumer base J > > "..as long as the graphs keep ascending to the upper right, it's no > questions asked..." > > Silverlight.NET is really the only site that has value, the rest are just > mediocrity being celebrated out loud. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Tim Heuer > *Sent:* Friday, March 12, 2010 1:40 AM > *To:* ozSilverlight > *Subject:* RE: RE: RE: Silverlight site. > > > Welcome to the world of MSFT ;-0 > > Microsof.com/<product> are usually ‘marketing’ sites – displaying > decision-maker information and case studies, etc. > Silverlight.net serves as a developer community resources: forums, learning > resources, samples, etc. -- **for developers** > > -th > > *Tim Heuer* *|* +1 (602) 405-4567 | *Microsoft Silverlight* > *blog*: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | *twitter: > *...@timheuer<http://twitter.com/timheuer> > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Vishwanath Humpy > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:28 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: RE: RE: Silverlight site. > > What is the story with http://silverlight.net/ ? . Will it disappear? > > On a positive note it did enlighten me to the silverlight partner program. > I haven't heard about that before. > > It sounds good, unless you fail to ship a site within 90 days :-) > > On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 11:50:25 +0530 wrote > > > > My thoughts are that this site is basically a Tyre Fire on the horizonof > the web. > [image: Image removed by sender. > http://simpsonseps.com/cutenewsupdate/data/upimages/springfield_tire_fire.jpg] > J > > *From:* [email protected][mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Craig Dunn > >*Sent:* Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:47 PM > >*To:* ozSilverlight > >*Subject:* Re: RE: Silverlight site. > > oops - not a great advertisement for Silverlight's x-platformability > > http://twitpic.com/17uw53<http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http://twitpic.com/17uw53&isImage=0&BlockImage=0>:-( > in safari > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Vishwanath Humpy > <[email protected]<http://prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individual&[email protected]&output=web&els=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6>> > wrote: > > is it not a schoolboy(girl)error to have the home page unavailable via the > menus? > > > >once you navigate around you can't get back to the home page directly. > > > > > > *From:* > [email protected]<http://prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individual&[email protected]>[mailto: > [email protected]<http://prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individual&[email protected]&output=web&els=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6> > ]*OnBehalf Of *Scott Barnes > > >*Sent:* Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:55 AM > >>*To:* ozSilverlight > > >*Subject:* Silverlight site. > > http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight<http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight&isImage=0&BlockImage=0> > has been updated. > Thoughts? 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