You mean you used Lightswitch? How did you wash of the smell? *grin*
From: [email protected]
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Stovell <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, 1 November 2010 3:57 PM
To: ozSilverlight <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
Jose,
There was a lot of sarcasm in those images. Don't take them literally.
The second two charts are my impression of the technologies Microsoft
tend to choose. I've actually managed to avoid all of #1 and #2 in your
suggestions, so the only Silverlight application I'd ever used from
Microsoft was Live Mesh.
Paul
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Jose Fajardo
<[email protected]> wrote:
With all respect Paul Stovell I can't make sense of what your diagrams
are saying. I apologize if I'm reading them incorrectly BUT the way I
read that diagram your suggesting that with Rays' exodus Silverlight has
no champion within MS and it will literally cease to exist?!
I guess if you only read blog & news articles, which pretty much relay
that message, you'd be forgiven for thinking that way.
But if you look at the facts MS are doing everything but neglecting
Silverlight...
Just look at Microsoft's use of Silverlight & Penetration Numbers...
1. New Products
a) the new Azure portal ,
b) Windows InTune ,
c) Lync client are all Silverlight apps
d) Silverlight profiling tool in VS - massive investment by MS
for Silverlight development
d) Lightswitch
e) PivotControl - this has massive potential to change the data
visualization and mining industry
f) etc.... many others that I'm sure will be announced in the
near and far future
2. Deep integration of Silverlight into existing core products - deep
Silverlight integration across the business, Live and server products
(eg. Sharepoint/ MSCRM / Live Portal / Bing all have strong Silverlight
integration)
3. Penetration numbers
~ 96% Flash
~ 69% Silverlight (that's up from 64%)
~ 10% (once you add up all the numbers)
http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version.php?limit%5B%5D=ie&l
imit%5B%5D=firefox&limit%5B%5D=safari&limit%5B%5D=chrome&limit%5B%5D=ope
ra&limit%5B%5D=netscape
Again I apologize if I've miss-read your graphs BUT the way I see it
based on the facts in front of me (from Microsoft's announcements and
public data) Silverlight is alive and kicking and most importantly has
healthy investment from Microsoft!
Regards
Jose Fajardo
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100
From: Miguel Madero <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
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Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that
little) for WPF internally or externally.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I took the liberty of graphing this:
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price
<[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies?
>> *feigned shocked look*
>>
>> I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for
>> ages. Nothing changed here.
>>
>> Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :)
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > I like how Shawn puts it,
>> >>
>> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites.
>> >
>> > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use
>> > cases
>> for
>> > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment
>> > (not
>> much
>> > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone),
>> > other devices (maybe?).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell
>> > <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ...at least for non-phones:
>> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve
>> rlight-has-shifted/7834
>> >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Deba
>> >> te
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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:57:28 -0700
From: Darren Neimke <[email protected]>
Subject: RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
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As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective?
Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this that
you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different
perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these
technologies? Here's the type of view I mean:
http://twitpic.com/32us7s
Darren [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100
Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
To: [email protected]
Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that
little) for WPF internally or externally.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]>
wrote:
I took the liberty of graphing this:
http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price
<[email protected]> wrote:
Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies?
*feigned shocked look*
I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for
ages. Nothing changed here.
Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :)
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]>
wrote:
> I like how Shawn puts it,
>>
>> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites.
>
> That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use
> cases for
> Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment
> (not much
> different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other
> devices (maybe?).
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]>
wrote:
>>
>> ...at least for non-phones:
>> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve
>> rlight-has-shifted/7834
>> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate
>> Paul
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:04:00 +1000
From: Paul Stovell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
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I notice "Mobile" is missing from your graph. What are you telling us
Darren? :)
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Darren Neimke
<[email protected]>wrote:
> As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of
perspective? [image:
> Smile] Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like
this
> that you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a
different
> perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these
> technologies? Here's the type of view I mean:
>
> http://twitpic.com/32us7s
>
>
>
> Darren Neimke
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100
>
> Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
> To: [email protected]
>
> Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that
little)
> for WPF internally or externally.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
> I took the liberty of graphing this:
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price
<[email protected]>wrote:
>
> Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies?
> *feigned shocked look*
>
> I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for
> ages. Nothing changed here.
>
> Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :)
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]>
wrote:
> > I like how Shawn puts it,
> >>
> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites.
> >
> > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use
cases
> for
> > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment
(not
> much
> > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone),
other
> > devices (maybe?).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ...at least for non-phones:
> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/
> >>
> >>
>
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverli
ght-has-shifted/7834
> >>
http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate
> >> Paul
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