With all respect Paul Stovell I can't make sense of what your diagrams are
saying. I apologize if I'm reading them incorrectly BUT the way I read that
diagram your suggesting that with Rays' exodus Silverlight has no champion
within MS and it will literally cease to exist?!
I guess if you only read blog & news articles, which pretty much relay that
message, you'd be forgiven for thinking that way.
But if you look at the facts MS are doing everything but neglecting
Silverlight...
Just look at Microsoft's use of Silverlight & Penetration Numbers...
1. New Products
a) the new Azure portal ,
b) Windows InTune ,
c) Lync client are all Silverlight apps
d) Silverlight profiling tool in VS - massive investment by MS for
Silverlight development
d) Lightswitch
e) PivotControl - this has massive potential to change the data
visualization and mining industry
f) etc.... many others that I'm sure will be announced in the near and
far future
2. Deep integration of Silverlight into existing core products - deep
Silverlight integration across the business, Live and server products (eg.
Sharepoint/ MSCRM / Live Portal / Bing all have strong Silverlight integration)
3. Penetration numbers
~ 96% Flash
~ 69% Silverlight (that's up from 64%)
~ 10% (once you add up all the numbers)
http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version.php?limit%5B%5D=ie&limit%5B%5D=firefox&limit%5B%5D=safari&limit%5B%5D=chrome&limit%5B%5D=opera&limit%5B%5D=netscape
Again I apologize if I've miss-read your graphs BUT the way I see it based on
the facts in front of me (from Microsoft's announcements and public data)
Silverlight is alive and kicking and most importantly has healthy investment
from Microsoft!
Regards
Jose Fajardo
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Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for
WPF internally or externally.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote:
> I took the liberty of graphing this:
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price
> <[email protected]>wrote:
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>> Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies?
>> *feigned shocked look*
>>
>> I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for
>> ages. Nothing changed here.
>>
>> Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :)
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > I like how Shawn puts it,
>> >>
>> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites.
>> >
>> > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use
>> > cases
>> for
>> > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment
>> > (not
>> much
>> > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone),
>> > other devices (maybe?).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell
>> > <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> ...at least for non-phones:
>> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve
>> rlight-has-shifted/7834
>> >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Deba
>> >> te
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From: Darren Neimke <[email protected]>
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As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective?
Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this that you'd
focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different perspective you
could easily see a lack of focus on any of these technologies? Here's the type
of view I mean:
http://twitpic.com/32us7s
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100
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Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for
WPF internally or externally.
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote:
I took the liberty of graphing this:
http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price <[email protected]> wrote:
Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies?
*feigned shocked look*
I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for
ages. Nothing changed here.
Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :)
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]> wrote:
> I like how Shawn puts it,
>>
>> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites.
>
> That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use
> cases for
> Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment
> (not much
> different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other
> devices (maybe?).
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> ...at least for non-phones:
>> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/
>>
>> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve
>> rlight-has-shifted/7834
>> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate
>> Paul
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I notice "Mobile" is missing from your graph. What are you telling us
Darren? :)
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]>wrote:
> As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective?
> [image:
> Smile] Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this
> that you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different
> perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these
> technologies? Here's the type of view I mean:
>
> http://twitpic.com/32us7s
>
>
>
> Darren Neimke
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100
>
> Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
> To: [email protected]
>
> Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little)
> for WPF internally or externally.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I took the liberty of graphing this:
>
> http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies?
> *feigned shocked look*
>
> I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for
> ages. Nothing changed here.
>
> Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :)
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I like how Shawn puts it,
> >>
> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites.
> >
> > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use cases
> for
> > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment (not
> much
> > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other
> > devices (maybe?).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ...at least for non-phones:
> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/
> >>
> >>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834
> >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate
> >> Paul
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