He meant to post this image for his own perspective: http://tinypic.com/r/2hekmlc/7
I say let's stop speculating and get on with the show. Worst case we can rename this list 'ozHTML5' From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Stovell Sent: Monday, 1 November 2010 5:57 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? Jose, There was a lot of sarcasm in those images. Don't take them literally. The second two charts are my impression of the technologies Microsoft tend to choose. I've actually managed to avoid all of #1 and #2 in your suggestions, so the only Silverlight application I'd ever used from Microsoft was Live Mesh. Paul On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Jose Fajardo <[email protected]> wrote: With all respect Paul Stovell I can't make sense of what your diagrams are saying. I apologize if I'm reading them incorrectly BUT the way I read that diagram your suggesting that with Rays' exodus Silverlight has no champion within MS and it will literally cease to exist?! I guess if you only read blog & news articles, which pretty much relay that message, you'd be forgiven for thinking that way. But if you look at the facts MS are doing everything but neglecting Silverlight... Just look at Microsoft's use of Silverlight & Penetration Numbers... 1. New Products a) the new Azure portal , b) Windows InTune , c) Lync client are all Silverlight apps d) Silverlight profiling tool in VS - massive investment by MS for Silverlight development d) Lightswitch e) PivotControl - this has massive potential to change the data visualization and mining industry f) etc.... many others that I'm sure will be announced in the near and far future 2. Deep integration of Silverlight into existing core products - deep Silverlight integration across the business, Live and server products (eg. Sharepoint/ MSCRM / Live Portal / Bing all have strong Silverlight integration) 3. Penetration numbers ~ 96% Flash ~ 69% Silverlight (that's up from 64%) ~ 10% (once you add up all the numbers) http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version.php?limit%5B%5D=ie <http://www.statowl.com/web_browser_usage_by_version.php?limit%5B%5D=ie&limi t%5B%5D=firefox&limit%5B%5D=safari&limit%5B%5D=chrome&limit%5B%5D=opera&limi t%5B%5D=netscape> &limit%5B%5D=firefox&limit%5B%5D=safari&limit%5B%5D=chrome&limit%5B%5D=opera &limit%5B%5D=netscape Again I apologize if I've miss-read your graphs BUT the way I see it based on the facts in front of me (from Microsoft's announcements and public data) Silverlight is alive and kicking and most importantly has healthy investment from Microsoft! Regards Jose Fajardo -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: ozsilverlight Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8 Send ozsilverlight mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ozsilverlight digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? (Miguel Madero) 2. RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet? (Darren Neimke) 3. Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? (Paul Stovell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 From: Miguel Madero <[email protected]> Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: ozSilverlight <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for WPF internally or externally. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote: > I took the liberty of graphing this: > > http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? >> *feigned shocked look* >> >> I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for >> ages. Nothing changed here. >> >> Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) >> >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > I like how Shawn puts it, >> >> >> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. >> > >> > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use >> > cases >> for >> > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment >> > (not >> much >> > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), >> > other devices (maybe?). >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell >> > <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> ...at least for non-phones: >> >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ >> >> >> >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve >> rlight-has-shifted/7834 >> >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Deba >> >> te >> >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> ozsilverlight mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Miguel A. 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URL: http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/pipermail/ozsilverlight/attachments/20101101/1 8b71073/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 21:57:28 -0700 From: Darren Neimke <[email protected]> Subject: RE: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective? Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this that you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these technologies? Here's the type of view I mean: http://twitpic.com/32us7s Darren [email protected] From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: [email protected] Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) for WPF internally or externally. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote: I took the liberty of graphing this: http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price <[email protected]> wrote: Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? *feigned shocked look* I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for ages. Nothing changed here. Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]> wrote: > I like how Shawn puts it, >> >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. > > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use > cases for > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment > (not much > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other > devices (maybe?). > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ...at least for non-phones: >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ >> >> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silve >> rlight-has-shifted/7834 >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> ozsilverlight mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight >> > > > > -- > Miguel A. Madero Reyes > www.miguelmadero.com (blog) > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list [email protected] http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Paul Stovell _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list [email protected] http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) [email protected] _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list [email protected] http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/pipermail/ozsilverlight/attachments/20101031/2 7188188/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:04:00 +1000 From: Paul Stovell <[email protected]> Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? To: ozSilverlight <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected] <mailto:nsjdbgco7-qaw61abv8czvw%[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I notice "Mobile" is missing from your graph. What are you telling us Darren? :) On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]>wrote: > As I just posted on Paul's blog, maybe it's all a matter of perspective? [image: > Smile] Seems logical that within a Silverlight technical group like this > that you'd focus on things down at that level of detail. From a different > perspective you could easily see a lack of focus on any of these > technologies? Here's the type of view I mean: > > http://twitpic.com/32us7s > > > > Darren Neimke > [email protected] > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 15:34:52 +1100 > > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: [email protected] > > Nice post. But I'm not sure MS is pushing that much (or even that little) > for WPF internally or externally. > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> wrote: > > I took the liberty of graphing this: > > http://www.paulstovell.com/tool-for-the-job > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Stephen Price <[email protected]>wrote: > > Wow. You mean, "the right tool for the right job" still applies? > *feigned shocked look* > > I've been saying Silverlight is for Apps and HTML is for sites for > ages. Nothing changed here. > > Should be interesting how they clarify the statement. :) > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]> wrote: > > I like how Shawn puts it, > >> > >> Silverlight is good for Apps; HTML is good for sites. > > > > That said, WPF is better for apps. So that leaves a handful of use cases > for > > Silverlight, e.g. Web Apps, need of Mac support, easier deployment (not > much > > different really), WP7 (which could've been just WPF for Phone), other > > devices (maybe?). > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Paul Stovell <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> ...at least for non-phones: > >> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ > >> > >> > http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight- has-shifted/7834 > >> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate > >> Paul > >> _______________________________________________ > >> ozsilverlight mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Miguel A. 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