Hi Darren,
How do you form those opinions? Do you ignore the quote from Bob Muglia
completely ("what does a Microsoft VP know about anything Microsoft makes
anyway?"), or do you just ignore the opinion pieces over the top of it?
We're in such a vendor-dominated ecosystem, I worry that regardless of what
we think about the technology, it's the opinions in the market that matter
most when deciding whether something is a good long-term bet.
Paul
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]>wrote:
> Thanks Scott, I haven't read all of your reply yet, but I did skim through
> it quickly. By the way, I knew that you'd win the award for the longest
> answer :-)
>
> My judgement is that, regardless of what the Win8, 9, or 10 team thinks.
> Regardless of what Mary, Peter and Paul think. At the end of the day, it's
> only my opinion that really matters to me - and I feel perfectly capable of
> having a clear view based on what I've seen and heard for myself. However,
> I do accept that there will be people - both inside and outside of Microsoft
> - who do feel the need to be given their opinions by the aforementioned
> crowd.
>
>
> Darren Neimke
> [email protected]
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> CC: [email protected]
> From: [email protected]
>
> Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:46 +1000
>
> To: [email protected]
>
> I guess you can believe the below, clench your fists and sing in a
> righteous voice "viva la silverlight" walk away thinking all this PR and
> community aggravation is misguided and that the highest ranked executive
> aside from ballmer himself got it wrong despite being briefed on silverlight
> every 3 months ranging on topics from ubiquity to roadmap selection
> criteria. Sure I can buy that but to sit and swallow that this is all just a
> misguided youth getting all sugary high from some bad journalists and how
> blind loyalty to the Microsoft ux strategy that has yet to really be shown
> despite constant signs of abandonment throughout the last 2 years is now a
> taboo topic of choice... Yeah that I can't buy just yet.
>
> Win8 team don't want silverlight. I want it, we all on this list want it.
> Wpf is dead, I love working with wpf and I do so very day and think myself
> lucky .. But it's dead in terms of marketing and future investment..
>
> The reality is this, right now the eyeball economy is bring used by
> factions internally as a beating stick on "why se should or shouldn't
> continue to invest" - I've personally seen 3 separate threads leaked with
> that pulse in place.
>
> Inside the teams we don't get to see data about how you all adopted it etc
> and so public opinion would often sway decisions ... As pathetic as that
> sounds.
>
> I sang loud and clear wpf is dead, journos picked up on it and ran with it.
> A month later the wpf team are working hard to proove my theories wrong.
> It's not like it's the first hey heard about it... It just finally got
> public momentum.
>
> As for Microsoft learning that the public can't be trusted with honesty?
> Hate to be the one that breaks this to all but that's the default posture
> held by majority of Microsoft teams.. Hence why MVP summits are often just a
> mix/pdc circle jerk with a different name..
>
> Hate this all u like but this is doing a lot of good internally on
> silverlight vs HTML5 budget forecasts and resource allocations for the
> future.. Which means more toys for you all to play with if it sways to
> silverlights favor.
>
> There isn't an unlimited supply of engineers / marketing inside Microsoft
> .. Internally it cab become a zero sum game ;)
>
> --
> Sent from my mini iPad nano
> (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this
> device as small keys)
>
> On 01/11/2010, at 12:27 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> It's worse than that. If anything, think about what *we've* effectively
> just told Microsoft:
>
> *If you ever dare to try to tell us the truth, or give us information
> which is in the least bit honest, we will beat you up with a fu#$ing great
> big stick! *
>
>
>
> Darren Neimke
> <[email protected]>[email protected]
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: <[email protected]>[email protected]
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:24:34 +1100
> Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
> To: <[email protected]>[email protected]
>
> I agree. This whole Silverlight debate is a beat up over nothing.
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Darren Neimke < <[email protected]>
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> There's a couple of things here that I think are really, really sad.
>
> Firstly, a department within Microsoft comes out at an event, and they use
> plain English to show that they are supporting an exciting new technology.
> Next, a couple of groups - who make money from eyeballs - come out with
> inflammatory comments about what has been said. Finally, people like *you*
> (whomever is reading this right now) give justification to the comments made
> by those groups by going on about it.
>
> So in short,
>
>
> 1. I don't really care who Mary Foley or TechCrunch are, or what
> qualifies them to publish stories with such an audacious and misleading
> title as: "Microsoft: Our strategy with Silverlight has shifted"
> 2. Every minute and therefore money (via our eyeballs) we give to Mary
> and TechCrunch, is a minute that is not spent working out how to get the
> best out of these 2 technologies
> 3. Think about the people who are writing about this "debate" (debate?
> really?) and ask yourself what their motive is for writing in the first
> place
>
>
>
>
> Darren Neimke
> <[email protected]>[email protected]
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:51:38 +1000
> Subject: So, is Silverlight dead yet?
> From: <[email protected]>[email protected]
> To: <[email protected]>[email protected]
>
>
> ...at least for non-phones:
>
> <http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/>
> http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/
>
> <http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/><http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834>
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834
>
> <http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/><http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate>
> http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate
>
> <http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate>Paul
>
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