On 30/07/2014 21:20, Örsan Şenalp wrote: > Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work. > > I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols > on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks > on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on > licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would > be happy to collaborate on that. > > May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between > p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and > vertical agency interactions? I'm not sure Örsan what you mean by a 'page' but let's try it. My experience of P2P governance points to the complementarity/interdependence of our 'intra-personal', 'inter-personal' and 'political' capacities. Denis > > Orsan > > > On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear Orsan, >> >> it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok >> >> in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are >> necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ... >> >> perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ? >> >> it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory and >> http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power .. >> >> It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great starting >> point .. >> >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 >> >> for example: >> >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design / >> http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks >> >> so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules that >> maintain true distribution of power >> >> Michel >> >> <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and >> Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being >> formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small >> faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical >> abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong >> and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions >> and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like >> money, girl, ego casued these we can't now... Then we (emancipatory >> peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily >> in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin, >> Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and >> authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus >> whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities >> limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of >> revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical >> politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers >> to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave >> them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like >> them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power >> accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of >> communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution >> processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as >> well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain >> network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these >> weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is >> not impossible to solve these problems today>> >> >> -- >> Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record >> of previous communication, proposals, etc .. >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NetworkedLabour mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour >> > _______________________________________________ > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > . >
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