I first thought a titanpad, or another collective pad, then thought can be a page on P2P-F wiki, yet later started this one on the debategraph, to text the tool: http://debategraph.org/Details.aspx?nid=349168 it seems like a pretty useful tool to work on ideas and design things at the same-time. So if you like to give it a try just join? orsan
Denis Postle schreef op 31.07.2014 06:50: > On 30/07/2014 21:20, Örsan Şenalp wrote: >> Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work. >> >> I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols >> on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks >> on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on >> licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would >> be happy to collaborate on that. >> >> May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between >> p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and >> vertical agency interactions? > I'm not sure Örsan what you mean by a 'page' but let's try it. My > experience of P2P governance points to the > complementarity/interdependence of our 'intra-personal', > 'inter-personal' and 'political' capacities. > Denis >> Orsan >> >> >> On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Dear Orsan, >>> >>> it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok >>> >>> in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are >>> necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ... >>> >>> perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ? >>> >>> it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory and >>> http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power .. >>> >>> It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great starting >>> point .. >>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 >>> >>> for example: >>> >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design / >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks >>> >>> so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules that >>> maintain true distribution of power >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and >>> Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being >>> formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small >>> faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical >>> abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong >>> and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions >>> and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like >>> money, girl, ego casued these we can't now... Then we (emancipatory >>> peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily >>> in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin, >>> Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and >>> authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus >>> whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities >>> limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of >>> revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical >>> politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers >>> to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave >>> them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like >>> them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power >>> accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of >>> communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution >>> processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as >>> well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain >>> network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these >>> weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is >>> not impossible to solve these problems today>> >>> >>> -- >>> Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record >>> of previous communication, proposals, etc .. >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetworkedLabour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >> . >> > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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