This a good example Stacco, agree that it woud be usefull, for p2p-f but also in general.
May be on this there can be a work done for the foundation at the community development space Michel was referring. Menawhile just started to copmpile a general list with Dennis Postle on the debategraph (collaborative software suggested by Helene Findori and seemed useful to me after several try): http://debategraph.org/Details.aspx?nid=349168 orsan On 2 August 2014 12:01, Stacco Troncoso <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi friends. > > Right now I'd say we're at the exploration level. It's a big concern in Peer > Production, how do we avoid freeriding, undue influence and stalling? To me > the answer is to have a clear set of agreed-on protocols and the tools to > implement them and that's where our thinking is directed these days. We're > doing it at a smaller scale and with a much more concrete focus in Guerrilla > Translation, but I think that a lot of the knowledge we're gleaning there > can be scaled up to Foundation. > > The first "structural" proposal we try out will probably not be the last > one, and this process will imply continued experimentation and feedback, but > any attempt at moving beyond structureless will benefit us all and improve > the sort of styrmegic collaborative practices we favour. > > My proposal is that we adapt the Better Means Open Governance level to suit > our needs, that's be the background/governance aspect hat would clarify > roles and responsibilities greatly. Additionally, it isn't based on > hierarchy or coercion but meritocracy, you don't have to "state" what your > commitment level is or what you're going to do You just do it and your work > will be vauled and, if you don't do it, that's ok, someone else can take > that work up. > > On the practical sense and given that we're a transnational network the > workflow I'm personally familiar with and which has worked out great for us > is the following: > > Loomio (for discussion and decision making)-Trello (for workflow and task > management) -Wiki- (For the knowledge acquired). > > These feed into each other of course (and can be intimately connected > through hyperlinks). > > I'll copy bunch of links related to these models below but I'd specially > draw your attention to the first. (The Open Enterprise Framework), but all > the links have a lot of valuable info. I think that by reading them all and > then discussing the ideas and voting on proposals on Loomio will get us half > of the way there. > > Open Enterprise Manifesto and Governance model > > Video intro to Open Enterprises > > Open Enterprise TEDX talk > > Better Means Shareable article > > Open Value Network: A framework for many-to-many innovation > > Enspiral Member Requirements > > Espiral on Better Means > > Loomio, when business met Occupy > > Enspiral and Cobudget > > Intro to Open Organizations > > Enspiral on the P2P Wiki > > > > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> dear Orsan, >> >> we have a community development list within the p2p-f, I think that >> perhaps this is the best place to advance the governance work, >> >> I think that Stacco is motivated to advance this work as well, and he can >> tell you how far we have gotten, >> >> Michel >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Örsan Şenalp <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work. >>> >>> I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols >>> on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks >>> on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on >>> licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would >>> be happy to collaborate on that. >>> >>> May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between >>> p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and >>> vertical agency interactions? >>> >>> Orsan >>> >>> >>> On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Dear Orsan, >>> > >>> > it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok >>> > >>> > in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are >>> > necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ... >>> > >>> > perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ? >>> > >>> > it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see >>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory and >>> > http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power .. >>> > >>> > It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great >>> > starting >>> > point .. >>> > >>> > >>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 >>> > >>> > for example: >>> > >>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design / >>> > http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks >>> > >>> > so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules >>> > that >>> > maintain true distribution of power >>> > >>> > Michel >>> > >>> > <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and >>> > Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being >>> > formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small >>> > faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical >>> > abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong >>> > and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions >>> > and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like >>> > money, girl, ego casued these we can't now... Then we (emancipatory >>> > peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily >>> > in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin, >>> > Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and >>> > authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus >>> > whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities >>> > limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of >>> > revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical >>> > politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers >>> > to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave >>> > them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like >>> > them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power >>> > accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of >>> > communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution >>> > processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as >>> > well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain >>> > network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these >>> > weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is >>> > not impossible to solve these problems today>> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no >>> > record >>> > of previous communication, proposals, etc .. >>> > >>> > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> > >>> > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> > >>> > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > NetworkedLabour mailing list >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NetworkedLabour mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no >> record of previous communication, proposals, etc .. >> >> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > > -- > - Stacco Troncoso > > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > _______________________________________________ P2P Foundation - Mailing list http://www.p2pfoundation.net https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
