dear Orsan, we have a community development list within the p2p-f, I think that perhaps this is the best place to advance the governance work,
I think that Stacco is motivated to advance this work as well, and he can tell you how far we have gotten, Michel On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Örsan Şenalp <[email protected]> wrote: > Certainly agree that it is time to advance this work. > > I think the working on such exercises and ideas on developed protocols > on an open page, may be including interested from lists and networks > on the topic, sounds like a good idea. In tandem with the debate on > licences and partner state, it would be very complementary. So I would > be happy to collaborate on that. > > May be an idea to have one page for inner-governance, one for between > p2p governed distributed networks, and one between distributed/p2p and > vertical agency interactions? > > Orsan > > > On 28 July 2014 08:01, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear Orsan, > > > > it is precisely for this reason that we parted with flok > > > > in the longer term, we need to find and focus on the protocols that are > > necessary to retain equipotentiality in a network ... > > > > perhaps we could work together on identifying those rules ? > > > > it has been on the back of my mind for a few years, see > > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory and > > http://www.diigo.com/user/mbauwens/Protocollary-Power .. > > > > It seems to me that the work of Stephen Downes would be a great starting > > point .. > > > > > http://p2pfoundation.net/Category:P2P_Hierarchy_Theory?search=stephen+downes&title=Special%3ASearch&fulltext=1 > > > > for example: > > > > http://p2pfoundation.net/Democratic_Institutional_Design / > > http://p2pfoundation.net/Knowing_Networks > > > > so my proposal is to have a joint page where we can jot down the rules > that > > maintain true distribution of power > > > > Michel > > > > <<>From the communist manifesto to first international, from Erfurt and > > Gotha to Comintern the discussion between theses and factions, being > > formed among groups of friends, based on one important but small > > faction or an entirely new frame of theoretical-analytical > > abstraction, took the conflicts between individuals and caused strong > > and irreversible demarcations between sppousedly emancipatory visions > > and energies.. May be most of the time very stupid reasons, like > > money, girl, ego casued these we can't now... Then we (emancipatory > > peopel) had reproduced the power games of rulers -can be traced easily > > in the tone of writings of Marx, Engels, Luxembourg, Kautsky, Lenin, > > Proudhon, Bakunin,... the spirit of the time is gaining respect and > > authority for argument was full fledged attacks on personality.. plus > > whatever possible, as may be a result of structural possibilities > > limiting communication. It killed the true spirit of > > revolution/emancipation as well as prevented prefigurative ethical > > politics as such. In my opinion this made it possible for the rulers > > to survive and evolve into capitalist class agency for itself and gave > > them advantage. Since they saw that their grave digger were also like > > them.. since we did reproduce the capitalist form of power > > accumulation. It is not possible in the same way today, p2p mode of > > communication allows more open confrontations and conflict resolution > > processes, egalitarian and ethical - prefigurative relationships, as > > well as checks and balances. Still there are ways and tricks to gain > > network power and use it against the 'lower order' nodes? so on these > > weaknesses there is a work to do. Yet the structurally speaking it is > > not impossible to solve these problems today>> > > > > -- > > Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no > record > > of previous communication, proposals, etc .. > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NetworkedLabour mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > -- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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