This is the high time for forming the rapid deployment force. Can't we call all pool rapid funds, coop-funding, crowdfunding, self-funding... so on to make this happen. If not now, when?
Orsan Michel Bauwens schreef op 12-2-2015 om 17:45: > there are no plans nor funding for a new big commons conference ... > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Roberto Verzola <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Perhaps, the next intl conference on the commons should be held in >> Greece... >> >> Roberto Verzola >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 00:52:05 -0700 >> "Wolfgang Hoeschele" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Friends, >>> >>> Very interesting discussion! >>> >>> I wonder is there opportunity (or need) to promote commons or p2p >>> concepts directly with the Greek government? How much are they in >>> touch with these movements in Greece and internationally? Can it be >>> useful to them if networking with us shows EU negotiators that 1) >>> there are proponents of a new approach around Europe and elsewhere >>> (i.e., Syriza is not alone in searching for new alternatives that >>> break the "grow like mad or die" alternative?), and 2) there are >>> actual models that can be implemented and there are people both >>> inside and outside Greece who can help make it possible? >>> >>> It seems to me that there is very little time available for the Greek >>> negotiators to achieve a breakthrough and thereby allow space for new >>> approaches to flourish in Greece, or else to fail, leading to a >>> resumption of austerity policies (with, I fear, disastrous results >>> for Greek politics, because I have no idea to whom Greek voters would >>> then turn). So, if we can do something internationally to help in >>> this process, it might be very important to do so now. Since there >>> are Greek participants in this list, I would very much like to hear >>> from you what you think about this. >>> >>> By the way, personally this also interests me because as a teenager, >>> when my father was working in Athens, I lived there - so there is >>> that personal connection! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> Wolfgang >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: [commoning] [P2P-F] Greek Vice-President explicitely >>> endorses commons strategy before parliament >>> From: George Papanikolaou <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wed, February 11, 2015 10:09 pm >>> To: Eleftherios Kosmas <[email protected]> >>> Cc: Vasilis Kostakis <[email protected]>, >>> [email protected], Commoning >>> <[email protected]>, >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, >>> Commoning List <[email protected]> >>> >>> Eleftherios thank you for the translation. >>> Knowing Greek politics and considering that Dragasakis is the nr 2 >>> (not to say nr 1) in the Greek government, I think this is an >>> important statement. It shows profound thinking and his openness to >>> the commons ideas. >>> >>> Best regards >>> George >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:51 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas >>> <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry for my previous half finished >>> message. >>> >>> Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr Dragasakis I will try to >>> translate some parts of it. Bear in mind that due to the cultural and >>> linguistic differences of the Greek language with English I might not >>> be able to convey it properly (I am not a trained translator) >>> >>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" >>> >>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a >>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter >>> of the commons personally and in public is the following. >>> >>> I would like to, conclude with the permission of the President, with >>> a general thought. Often in everyday life we all live events >>> happening that only hindsight their importance. We live, then, and >>> now a historic era, characterized not only by the crisis and the >>> collapse of obsolete models, but we live a crisis that eventually >>> spawned new models and new social organization models, as was done in >>> the past. In this sense, then, this is an opportunity to take up the >>> deficits of the past, to close this modernization deficit, but by >>> addressing the contemporary social problem of unemployment, social >>> security and social exclusion. This could establish a new paradigm in >>> Greece and other countries of southern Europe, combining advanced >>> forms of democracy, social self-motivation, social justice on a >>> strong foundation of common goods, a society-centric model, which >>> would give dignity and confidence in society hope to the people, >>> optimism in the new generation. Thus, Greece from being the >>> Guenna-pig of austerity and destruction could be the a ground of >>> pioneering ideas and policies, and the benefit would not be just for >>> us. The world would become a security goal in a region of insecurity >>> and "aged" Europe could re-discover through the symbiosis of >>> different development models inside. Let's not rush some say that >>> these are utopias, because there are utopias that are realistic. Are >>> those whose implementation depends not on supernatural powers, but by >>> the unity and collective action of ordinary people in Europe, in >>> Greece and worldwide. Thank you. >>> >>> >>> Greek speakers could find the original here. >>> >>> http://www.dragasakis.gr/omiliesparembaseis.php?id=1041 >>> >>> I hope this could help a bit on the conversation. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Eleftherios Kosmas >>> <[email protected]> wrote: Hi guys. I checked the speech of Mr >>> Dragasakis I will try to translate some parts of it. Bear in mind >>> that due to the cultural and linguistic differences of the Greek >>> language with English I might not be able to convey it properly (I am >>> not a trained translator) >>> >>> "Title: Speech during the government's policy statements" >>> >>> The most interesting part at least for my shelf as a member of a >>> commons based collective like hackerspace.gr and a strong supporter >>> of the commons. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:50 PM, P2P Foundation mailing list >>> <[email protected]> wrote: understood Vasilis, >>> >>> but the big danger is that all the energy goes to crisis management, >>> and that the real transformative work is put on hold for when >>> conditions are right .. >>> >>> so the only way out is to work on both simultaneously, i.e. work on >>> the crisis while also setting in place the framework for this longer >>> term change, >>> >>> Michel >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:02 PM, Vasilis Kostakis >>> <[email protected]> wrote: Michel, >>> >>> The passage you shared was written from memory and I cannot find >>> anywhere on the web (perhaps in video format) the explicit reference. >>> However, I think that my memory is good and more or less this was >>> what the vice-present said. Moreover, allow me to share George >>> Papanikolaou's reaction in relation to my message, in which he >>> highlights that Dragasakis's basic idea was that "the european south >>> can open the way to new productive relations". In addition to this, >>> George emphasizes that "the priority now is to stabilize the >>> situation and give us time for experimentation". >>> >>> Let's see... >>> >>> v. >>> >>> On 11 February 2015 at 17:30, Michel Bauwens >>> <[email protected]> wrote: This is very important news: >>> >>> perhaps George or Vasilis can find the explicit reference ? >>> especially in english ? >>> >>> see: >>> >>> " Dragasakis's (vice-president of the government) finale during his >>> speech in the parliament, where he explicitly referred to new >>> bottom-up, Commons-based productive models which will have a global >>> orientation and will fuel Greece's post-crisis sustainable >>> development." >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Vasilis Kostakis >>> >>> Senior Research Fellow >>> Ragnar Nurkse School of Innovation and Governance >>> >>> Research Director >>> P2P Lab: http://p2plab.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan >>> >>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >>> >>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >>> >>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> P2P Foundation - Mailing list >>> http://www.p2pfoundation.net >>> https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://elkosmas.gr >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://elkosmas.gr >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Commoning mailing list >>> Commons-Institut e.V. 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