> It often seems to me that the need to justify ones own position as opposed > to, rather than in addition to, or including others, comes from the > structural imperative to earn a living, which necessitates offering something > different and therefore of value in > the market place. This is the inevitable concomitant of a capitalist economy > which requires people to have something of value which they can sell to earn > a living - labour, intellect, care, etc.
Anna > On 3 Aug 2016, at 21:31, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> wrote: > > One of your comments resonated with me. We have pretty much abandoned > seeking funding and have also stopped responding to request from other > people to help them with funding. That leaves holes. But I think we > gotta figure out how to support our own activities as much as > possible. I know, not always possible. > > We could try dues...that's what the old Nonpartisan League did and > they took over North Dakota and created the state bank, among other > things. > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well I was expecting you and Peter would make this warning. And this >> argument is about the methodology of analysis, or as Madron put it, and >> Fabians would totally agree 'operational complexity management'. I think at >> the current point of time complexity managers has more advanced tools and >> infrastructures to manage the complexity that opposition forces added on >> the complexity created by the intra-elite struggle. On the one hand there >> emerges an alliance of 'delayists' (around next system project, new economy >> alliance, de-growth so on) and on the radical left 'acclerationists' are >> forming a constellation (around Negri and so on). Some from left like >> Michael Aalbert, and parecon, David Harvey and rabel cities, negrists or >> cognitive captalists 'platform cooperatvism', Eric Olin Wright and real >> Utopias.. are counted in the next system alliance. On the driving seat, as >> John Restakis prompted sometimes ago, there are networks which are funded by >> OAK foundation of UK Royal-state, Rockefe > llar, Ford, Soros foundation so on. These formed a founder alliance called > Edge Funders, whom Michel thinks are radicals. They fund all sort of spaces, > from WSF, to Left Forum, from the events Michel and Pat mentioned, to Ripess > -Synergia people (social solidarity economy discourse), from TNI to all sort > of movement building hubs. Yes There are contradictions every where, there is > a chaos too, but also there are some orders and regularities that are telling > us something, and most worrisome is no one is talking about with the fear of > not getting any funding and suffer economically. That state of 'being > determines the consciousness'. The more no one is willing to talk about these > openly the more things go worse. That is all I wanted to say.. >> >> Orsan >> >>> On 3 aug. 2016, at 22:03, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I snipped the previous contents, they were overloading my email >>> viewer. And deleted the WSF from the distro list so they stop >>> complaining at me. >>> >>> Dear Orsan, I agree that alliances with aspects of the powers-that-be >>> pose dangers. And co-optation happens. Fortunately, they don't want to >>> ally with me anyway, otherwise I would need to thread some of those >>> needles. >>> >>> I would, however, repost what I understood from Peter's message. If we >>> are dialectical materialists, we gotta do a dialectical analysis of >>> all these forces and their contradictions and also and maybe >>> especially their internal contradictions. >>> >>> And even after the revolution or transformation or whatever, there >>> will still be contradictions. That's life. > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour
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