A pessimist is an optimist with 20 years experience. On 9/12/07, Adam Fisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right. I forgot I'd seen you over on some of those lists. I'm surprised > you participate if you think it's all about commoditizing the competition or > gumming things up, though. Which one are you doing? Joking joking. > > No, I agree the IETF has problems, but some standard emerging out of the p2p > hackers list sure would scare me a lot more! > > -Adam > > > > On 9/5/07, Michael Slavitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > For those that need help with that, try this: > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?&q=slavitch%20IETF > > > > On 9/5/07, Michael Slavitch < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, I know about the IETF. Google is your friend. > > > > > > > > > On 9/5/07, Adam Fisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Do you know many people who work in or with the IETF? Have you worked > with > > > > the IETF? I'm sincerely asking, because I would be surprised if you > had and > > > > continued to hold your views. They make decisions by "taking a hum" > for > > > > Christ's sake -- similar the yeahs and the neighs (sp?). These people > are > > > > the enemy? To me, it's a miraculous example of cooperation amongst > > > > frequently competing interests. > > > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/5/07, Michael Slavitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "The IETF is really not so different from this list -- a bunch of > > > > > people getting together to make stuff work." > > > > > > > > > > Not so sure about that. > > > > > > > > > > The goal of participating in a standards body to either make things > > > > > work to commoditize the competition or gum things up so that they > > > > > never work, are horrendoes to implement, thereby creating barriers > to > > > > > entry that only you can exploit. > > > > > > > > > > Look at IMS, for example. > > > > > > > > > > How easy is it to get ICE working, and I mean >working<, not > "working". > > > > > > > > > > How long has it taken to develop and finalize? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > p2p-hackers mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > p2p-hackers mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Slavitch > > > Ottawa Ontario Canada > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Slavitch > > Ottawa Ontario Canada > > _______________________________________________ > > p2p-hackers mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > p2p-hackers mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.zooko.com/mailman/listinfo/p2p-hackers > >
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