i could not believe how flammed i got.. but thats what
happens when you "say something".
i strongly encourage Java development.. it is my
life!! (as a consultant) - however i do personally
feel that using KWM right now "commercially" is a big
no-no..
i think it is great people are writing pong, tetris
etc.. (i also saw that at the JavaOne conference)..
but anything "commercial" is not possible YET.. it
will be lovely to see the implementation Java 2
compliant (so what if it takes 1Mb, just need more
memory on the devices)..
if you are considering moving to Java once it gets
better.. (like myself).. then write your code now
in C..
just dont be stupid and start relying on pointers..
:)) you will never port it then..
i have plans to eventually port LodeRunner to
Java on the palm.. as soon as i know there is a
decent Java VM implemented (right now, it is far
from it).. but some people are still required to
develop for it.. at least to see it move to
a stable stage..
ie: the pong games, etc..
i see a huge future in PalmOS.. language is not my
concertn right now.. although i do wish to see Java
on the palm, i have to stick with a more
"appropriate" implementation.. which is C.
my 2c..
az.
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On Fri, 2 Jul 1999, B. Flaumenhaft wrote:
>
> > i posted a nice little "talk" about this earlier.. got flamed..
> > now it is proven that it is so unstable.. not yet ready for any
> > serious development.
>
> I wish I had been around for this, I was unsubscribed briefly and missed
> the talk and the flame.
>
> > i would love to see a FULL (not just a few classes) implementation
> > on the palm.. so my PC programs work on the Palm.
> >
> > what about LayoutManagers etc? have they support for these
> > yet? lightweight components? JDBC classes?? (for talking
> > to .PDB files).
>
> There's no doubt that this stuff is pre-release, and even pre-usable ... I
> spoke with some of the KVM people at JavaOne, and specifically asked them
> about form-type stuff; noone wanted to say anything specific, not even
> "they're in the works."
>
> Unfortunately, it seems like a useless environment without these types of
> things. There's a reason why (give or take the scrollable text field) all
> the demo classes they've given out have been Pong or Tetris -- there's no
> support for doing anything else yet.
>
> There are two solutions to this, as I see it: lightweight or heavyweight
> components. I stand ready to be proven wrong, but I don't see that
> lightweight components will be workable on the KVM platforms. The KVM on
> the Palm can hardly keep up with moving a Pong paddle around; I really
> can't believe that it'll be fast enough to draw forms by hand.
>
> Heavyweight components might work (especially on the Palm, where the Palm
> OS has proven quite capable of providing quick and thorough forms). If they
> go this route, though, they'll restrict it to some native common
> denominator, and since I don't think Motorola pagers implements buttons,
> lists, etc., I doubt this is likely to happen. It would mean the loss of
> KVM platform independence; this is a big selling point for Sun, although
> I'd appreciate even a Palm-specific Java class library, as long as it
> looked much like the other Java libraries.
>
> One other thought: if Palm is pressing the "Palm Computing Platform" for
> adoption on multiple devices (e.g., Qualcomm, various 'smart phones', this
> new Handspring venture), why not a KVM that supports all PCP devices?
>
> These are just my idle thoughts ... I'd love to see it work, but I was
> really disappointed by the KVM stuff I saw.
>
> Regards,
> Ben Flaumenhaft
>
>
>
>
