> > and the first thing i did was a hard reset.. bye bye
> > the KWM stuff.. i had seen a preview earlier and was
> > not so impressed.. i doubt they fixed it a few days
> > before - so it does not surprise me.
>
> Yeah, the right atitude for guy whose life relies on Java. Let me
> confront you with an earlier post of yours:
my life does not rely on Java. i have nothing against Java,
my main point is that it is NOT READY yet... (to a point
where I WOULD PERSONALLY want to use it on the Palm)
> > i am well aware of the KVM.. i WAS at JavaOne..
> >
> > i got my PalmV.. played with it.. it seemed to have potential, > and i was not
>saying that you should not move that way..
> > eventually it will be more feasable.. right now, there
> > is still a lot of work that needs to be done on KVM..
>
> So, where do you stand? Did you play with your KVM and you know what you
> are talking about, or did you reset your palm minutes after you bought
> it? I know if I had the chance to be at JavaOne and play around with the
> KVM, the last thing I'd do would be to reset the Palm.
actually.. i played with it.. noticed how DAMN SLOW it was
(well, that is no surprise) - i also noticed the lack of
classes provided (at least they had Threading)..
i DID look at the KVM before i removed it.. i was not impressed..
thought it was TOO unstable to bother.. so i removed it..
JavaOne this year was VERY dissapointing.. overcrowded, and too
much focus on PDA's.. (hence the Palm V giveaway).
> Again, I see you have missed the point of KVM. Didn't you ever asked
> yourself what is the main difference between PalmOS and WinCE? Why is it
> that most people prefer PalmOS to WinCE? The real best feature?
> Simplicity! That's what this is all about. Simplicity
i agree..
simplicity can STILL BE done.. right now, if you want to program
for PalmOS (esp. GUI's).. there is NO common ground between
development environments..
CW has its OWN binary format for resources, and PILRC can be
a bit messy.. a nice little layout manager and the ABILITY to
easially create custom components would be nice.
i was not asking for the FULL WORKS.. ie: tables, etc. etc.
if the KVM gave me every function call in the PalmOS
libraries (database etc).. and a few management functions..
that would be nice.
> Palm devices are suposed to be simple. No fancy GUIs, no complicated
> stuff. You don't need a Layout Manager on a screen where every pixel is
> important. I see a big future for PalmOS. What I don't see in PalmOS'
> future is the ability to run desktop apps. I hope it never happens.
> That's the WinCE paradigm.
you will probably never resize your screen - so the full
usage of a layout manager may not be so important.. but how
much fun do you have in CW or PILRC when you want to have a
window that looks like this:
+------------+ +-----------+
| | |
+------------+ or: | x ........
| | | | | x ........
| | | | | x ........
+------------+ |
| | |
+------------+ +-----------+
are you goign to MANUALLY resize them in CW resource editor?
or MANUALLY program it in PILRC?
it would be nice if the Java VM could have this BASIC organization
structure available. it would take 5 lines of code (and you wont
have to worry about positions)..
and accessing .PDB files? it would BE PERFECT if they had a JDBC
driver! (or something at least implementing the java.sql package).
is this available?
Java is meant to be "consistant" accross platforms.. this is
what i TEACH.. and Sun has screwed up big time with the
Micro Editions.. they COULD do it.. but they seemed to have
left a lot of good things out (prob to save space).
> If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you
maybe you SHOULD try again?
it is people like you that ruin these discussions.. i remember
the first topic was "i heard Java is available, should i use it".
i answered solidly with "NO - it is NOT ready yet"..
if you wish to flame me further about your own preference of
language etc.. then keep it to yourself.. at least i feel
happy when i get a personal email saying:
"thankyou, it would have been nice if i heard this earlier"
i was not saying you should never consider it (as it WOULD be
nice to have some decent Java VM on the palm)..
you are the negative one.. try seeing it from a open
viewpoint? with every email discussion this i did mention
i INTEND to use it when it suits my needs..
ie: i was not saying "Java on PalmOS SUX"
i like Java.. and i have been using it for a long time now
(nearly three and a half years).. i know what it can do..
and when i saw KVM for the first time.. i was very dissapointed.
that was my comment.. if you dont like my comments..
then simply ignore them..
cheers.
az.
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