Apologies for my absurd omission in the first sentence of my conclusion where it should read :
Apparently, during the 17 – 20 years between the time of the certain dating of the first known presence of Jewish-Christians in Egypt and the terminus ante quem of the kylix the development of Christianity in Alexandria had taken on more than one form including Gnostic-Christians probably emerging from the Greek and Alexandrian Egyptian converts. John John N. Lupia III New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/ God Bless Everyone --- On Mon, 9/22/08, John Lupia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: John Lupia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [PAPY] > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 11:12 PM > Hi John: > > My only intention is to provide not only the translation of > the Alexandrian kylix’s sgrafitto to read : “Through > Christ the Magician”, but to locate it within the > historical milieu of the first half of the first century in > Alexandria, amply demonstrating that it is both viable and > tenable. > > > I. Prefects of Egypt (certain and approximate dates) > Aulus Avilius Flaccus, 32 – 38 > Lucius Aemilius Rectus, 41 – 42 > Marcus Aevius, 42 - 45 > Gaius Iulius Postumus, 45 - 48 > Gnaeus Vergilius Capito, 48 – 52 > > II. Relevant Papyri > P. Oxy. 1089 > P. Berlin 551 > P. Berlin 8877 > P. Cairo 10448 > P. Berlin 1079 > P. London 1912 > > See also > Philo, Against Flaccus > Philo, Embassy to Gaius > Josephus, Against Apion > Josephus, Jewish Antiquities > > Egyptian Jewish-Christians noted to exist in Acts 2:10 > would not be distinguished from Jews in the papyri. > Consequently, the text of Joseph Me’le’ze Modrzejewski, > The Jews of Egypt, Chapter 8, [especially 165 – 183], > which presents a discussion of these texts, prefects, and > historical events never takes this into account thereby > failing to consider that the feuding and rioting with the > Jews and Greeks of Alexandria could also include the Jews > feuding and rioting among themselves between Jews and > Jewish-Christians, and the Greeks with Jewish-Christians and > Greek Christians. Therefore, when reading the relevant > papyri it must be kept in mind that references to Jews also > includes all sects of Christians. Moreover, Modrzejewski > [page 183] makes reference to the Claudius’ reprimanding > the Alexandrian Jews for their two unprecedented Embassies, > which he says indicates that they should have worked out > their problems within their own community before > soliciting Rome. This could indicate internal Jewish > disputes existed between Jews and Jewish-Christians, or > Greeks with Jewish-Christians and Greek Christians, though > Modrzejewski’s bent does not spell this out and seems not > cognizant of this possibility isolating it to the Greek and > Jewish disputes. > > Apparently, during the 17 – 20 years between the time of > the certain dating of the first known presence of Jews in > Egypt and the terminus ante quem of the kylix the > development of Christianity in Alexandria had taken on more > than one form including Gnostic-Christians probably emerging > from the Greek and Alexandrian Egyptian converts. The > Alexandrian kylix, therefore, res ipsa loquitur opening up a > window to these dramatic developments, confirming them. > > John > > John N. Lupia III > New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/ > God Bless Everyone > > > --- On Mon, 9/22/08, John Whitehorne > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: John Whitehorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [PAPY] > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Monday, September 22, 2008, 9:51 PM > > Thanks for this, Stephen. This is mainly for Adam as > list > > administrator - hi > > Adam, could you let discussion of this magical mystery > pot > > run on, please, > > provided it doesnt get too OTT. I think that this is > the > > most lively I have > > seen papy-l for many years. > > Jack and John L. - could you in turn take your > discussion > > of the dating of > > the gospels off list, please - it seems to be getting > > personal rather than > > papyrological.. > > Thanks > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen M. Bay" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [PAPY] > > > > > > > It boils down to a question of probability. There > may > > have been > > > Christians in Egypt twenty years after the > > crucifixion, but relative > > > to the larger population, precious few. The best > > estimates put the > > > Christian population of Egypt in 100 CE at around > one > > one-hundredth > > > of a percent of the total population. If the > surviving > > material > > > remains are even remotely proportional to the > > population > > > distribution, the chances of any Christian > artifacts > > from 100 CE > > > being unearthed in Egypt are slim; from 50 CE, > much, > > much slimmer. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > -Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen M. Bay > > > Assistant Professor, Classics > > > Brigham Young University > > > (801) 422-1696 > > > > > > > > > On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:30 PM, John Lupia wrote: > > > > > >> Mr. Kilmon > > >> > > >> The evidence you seek is now 1.5 billion > > population of Roman > > >> Catholics globally, whose scriptures you read > > called the New > > >> Testament with Luke written in AD 37, > addressed to > > Theophilus, the > > >> High Priest in Jerusalem 37-41. > > >> > > >> > > >> John N. Lupia III > > >> New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon > > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/ > > >> God Bless Everyone > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >
