I just don't buy it, John. If you can show me some evidence of a"Christian"
community in Alexandria in the 20 years after the crucifixion, OK. Then
show me evidence of a "church's theology" between 33-50 CE that had
developed enough to have been corrupted by a "gnostic formula" that had been
around long enough to do the corrupting. Mika's suggestion of an ointment
(which is something you "annoint" someone with and, like the Greek, shares
the same root) makes the most sense. I remember finding a bottle from a
19th century site that read "Dr. Humboldt's Magic Elixer." Like most tonics
at that time, it contained herbal preparations with opium or cocaine and
were touted for all sorts of medical ailments and highly recommended for
adolescent boys to prevent the "secret vice."
Alexandria was the medical center of the Mediterranean with physicians,
apothecaries and Therapeutae plying their trade among incoming seamen. This
goblet has nothing to do with Christianity.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lupia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [PAPY]
Mika :
Your suggestion is good for an unguentarium, but, unfortunately, not so
good for a wine drinking cup, which this is.
The cup is remarkable for its condition especially considering its
environmental surroundings, and for its sgrafitto.
But, Egypt never ceases to amaze us, and most of us were startled by the
wine cup's appearance at first glance.
André Bernand has given us his translation, which I reworded to read,
Through Christ the Magician. This is the most probable reading for the
wine cup. Its dating is relatively certain. Apparently, it is a relic of
one of the earliest Christian communities there which corrupted the
Church's theology mixing it with mystery rites and Gnosticism. Through
Him, With Him, In Him, is an ancient Church Eucharistic prayer, seen here
echoed in a Gnostic formula.
John
John N. Lupia III
New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/
God Bless Everyone
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Mika Kajava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Mika Kajava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [PAPY]
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:52 AM
The inscription looks somewhat strange (as others have
already said:
firing, incision, hand, etc.), but whether or not it is a
fake, has
anyone considered = diakhristou? - Diakhriston
"ointment" (and
similar) is found in medical texts and recipes (at least
from
Dioscorides), but it is also well attested in later
sources, e.g., in
Aetius' (compilations of) medical writings.
Incidentally, I note that
among his innumerable recipes (and abbreviations as well as
expressions of "recipe language") one frequently
finds "gost./goist.",
e.g., "elaiou kalou goist. etoi oug. is",
"asprou goist.", etc. etc.,
but this may not be relevant for the present case. - O
might stand for
o(inou) [e.g. diakhristou, o(inou)... a(na) ic] rather than
for a
numeral...? - Needless to say, this is pure guesswork (and
a lot
depends on the dating of the text).
-MK.
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Wieland Willker kirjoitti 18.9.2008 kello 15.17:
> I have asked "Der Spiegel" and they sent me
an image of the back.
> Thank you very much!
>
>
> Have a look here:
> http://tinyurl.com/6amr2e
>
> What does that mean?
> Comments welcome!
>
>
> Best wishes
> Wieland
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> Textcritical commentary:
> http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html
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