Mr. Kilmon The evidence you seek is now 1.5 billion population of Roman Catholics globally, whose scriptures you read called the New Testament with Luke written in AD 37, addressed to Theophilus, the High Priest in Jerusalem 37-41.
John N. Lupia III New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/ God Bless Everyone --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Jack Kilmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jack Kilmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [PAPY] > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 6:25 PM > I just don't buy it, John. If you can show me some > evidence of a"Christian" > community in Alexandria in the 20 years after the > crucifixion, OK. Then > show me evidence of a "church's theology" > between 33-50 CE that had > developed enough to have been corrupted by a "gnostic > formula" that had been > around long enough to do the corrupting. Mika's > suggestion of an ointment > (which is something you "annoint" someone with > and, like the Greek, shares > the same root) makes the most sense. I remember finding a > bottle from a > 19th century site that read "Dr. Humboldt's Magic > Elixer." Like most tonics > at that time, it contained herbal preparations with opium > or cocaine and > were touted for all sorts of medical ailments and highly > recommended for > adolescent boys to prevent the "secret vice." > > Alexandria was the medical center of the Mediterranean with > physicians, > apothecaries and Therapeutae plying their trade among > incoming seamen. This > goblet has nothing to do with Christianity. > > Jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Lupia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 12:30 PM > Subject: Re: [PAPY] > > > > Mika : > > > > Your suggestion is good for an unguentarium, but, > unfortunately, not so > > good for a wine drinking cup, which this is. > > > > The cup is remarkable for its condition especially > considering its > > environmental surroundings, and for its sgrafitto. > > > > But, Egypt never ceases to amaze us, and most of us > were startled by the > > wine cup's appearance at first glance. > > > > > > André Bernand has given us his translation, which I > reworded to read, > > Through Christ the Magician. This is the most probable > reading for the > > wine cup. Its dating is relatively certain. > Apparently, it is a relic of > > one of the earliest Christian communities there which > corrupted the > > Church's theology mixing it with mystery rites and > Gnosticism. Through > > Him, With Him, In Him, is an ancient Church > Eucharistic prayer, seen here > > echoed in a Gnostic formula. > > > > John > > > > > > > > John N. Lupia III > > New Jersey, USA; Beirut, Lebanon > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Roman-Catholic-News/ > > God Bless Everyone > > > > > > --- On Fri, 9/19/08, Mika Kajava > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> From: Mika Kajava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [PAPY] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 10:52 AM > >> The inscription looks somewhat strange (as others > have > >> already said: > >> firing, incision, hand, etc.), but whether or not > it is a > >> fake, has > >> anyone considered = diakhristou? - Diakhriston > >> "ointment" (and > >> similar) is found in medical texts and recipes (at > least > >> from > >> Dioscorides), but it is also well attested in > later > >> sources, e.g., in > >> Aetius' (compilations of) medical writings. > >> Incidentally, I note that > >> among his innumerable recipes (and abbreviations > as well as > >> > >> expressions of "recipe language") one > frequently > >> finds "gost./goist.", > >> e.g., "elaiou kalou goist. etoi oug. > is", > >> "asprou goist.", etc. etc., > >> but this may not be relevant for the present case. > - O > >> might stand for > >> o(inou) [e.g. diakhristou, o(inou)... a(na) ic] > rather than > >> for a > >> numeral...? - Needless to say, this is pure > guesswork (and > >> a lot > >> depends on the dating of the text). > >> > >> -MK. > >> ––––––––– > >> Mika Kajava, PhD > >> Professor of Greek Language and Literature > >> > >> Institutum Classicum > >> P.O. Box 4 > >> FIN - 00014 University of Helsinki > >> > >> tel. +358-9-191 22488 > >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> Wieland Willker kirjoitti 18.9.2008 kello 15.17: > >> > >> > I have asked "Der Spiegel" and they > sent me > >> an image of the back. > >> > Thank you very much! > >> > > >> > > >> > Have a look here: > >> > http://tinyurl.com/6amr2e > >> > > >> > What does that mean? > >> > Comments welcome! > >> > > >> > > >> > Best wishes > >> > Wieland > >> > <>< > >> > > ------------------------------------------------ > >> > Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany > >> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie > >> > Textcritical commentary: > >> > http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html > >> > > > > > > > > > > >
