Africans, i like the attitute and nature of debate on line but nothing you ague willbuild the part. we are at a stionary state were compitativeness is an efford in geting confused masses on our side. lets work on building the part
> Mkhize > Please let's be honest. In the PAC terminology (Sobukwe's speeches and > manifesto) there is a term race but the party insists that it does not > possess any scientific use or political significance. Sobukwe argues > that the concept was but a mere construct arbitrarily used to further > the subjugation and exploitation of Africans and other peoples viewed by > European colonialists as of inferior type. He insists further that race > does not have a plural form. The party talks about one race, the human > race. Regarding your charge that I "know more about Marx that your PAC", > nothing in the party's basic documents prohibits members from reading > and studying whatever system of thought or ideology to increase our > knowledge. Ignorance, the PAC says, is a punishable crime. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of [email protected] > Sent: 21 December 2009 03:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Ideology > >> Ma'Afrika, > > > We Jack!!!! > > Go and consult the PAC Basic Document, you talk about Race, in th ePAC > Vocablary we do not talk about that, when did you join th ePAC,why can't > you read basisc thingsa for the PAC, you seems to know more about Marx > than your PAC. > > > Pleaz respond to me Direct I will lend u material, ok. > > Frm Bheki Mkhize > Kwa-mashu Branch > Cell: 083 4933384 > mkhizebehi2ananzi.co.za >> >> I would like to find out about the significant difference between >> socialists in the ANC and those in the PAC if there is any? I'm of the > >> view that Pan Africanism is scientific as it changes time and material > >> conditions. >> >> Shango lashu! >> >> Briza >> >> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Mawande Jack <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >>> Ma-Afrika! >>> >>> I move from the assumption and premise that we in the PAC are Pan >>> Africanists or Africanists to employ Anton Lembede's concept. >>> >>> Pan-Africanism, our overall philosophical outlook and movement which >>> combines, unite and bestow to Africans all over the world national >>> historical and political expression is the first antidote to the >>> doctrine of ordering and construction of the world especially our >>> continent and humankind in the image of the European or west. >>> This deliberate and calculated global project of constructing the >>> world, our continent in particular, in the image of Europe where >>> history, philosophy, knowledge, education, economics, culture, >>> politics and science bear only the stamp of Europe to project >>> themselves as a Master Race >>> (Herrenvolkism) should be what Pan-Africanists must wage in a >>> relentless struggle against. >>> It is for this reason that PAC's status campaign and the concept of >>> mental revolution hold such a profound significance in that our >>> struggle struggle must be to render the myths of white supremacy or >>> Herrenvolkism mentally untenable. These Herrenvolkik myths abound in >>> western scholarship, science, philosophy, religion and the media. >>> They distort reality and foster within the African person a sense of >>> false consciouness, false illusions of self, hero worshipping of, >>> fear of and dependency on whites who we view as our mentors but not >>> as equals or as huiman beings like us. However, only through the use >>> of African nationalism which operates as an illuminator of our >>> history and past achievements, a restorer of our pride as Africans >>> and an enabler in rediscovering our true human potential as Africans, > >>> can Pan Africanism succeed in this noblest liberatory mission of >>> subverting the racist colonialist white spremacist myths. >>> But African nationalism without approapriating unto itself and its >>> Pan Africanist programme scientific analytical tools derived from >>> Marxism or scientific socialism, it would be hard to penetrate and >>> lay bare these racist white supremacist myths which are deeply >>> embedded and entrenched in western philosophy, religion, science, and > >>> history as found in the world's dominant ideologies. >>> With a Pan Africanist orientation that is tempered in African >>> nationalism, one can also find some shortcomings and anomalies in >>> Marxism and other ideologies, analyse and apply those theories in >>> consonance with our peculiar African historical, cultural and >>> material circumstances. The importance of Marxist dialetics and >>> historical materialism as an appropriated philosophical element of >>> Pan Aftricanism, is that we guard against romanticising about our >>> African past and history but to study and understand it critically as > >>> a dynamic and universal process. >>> Some call that Pan Africanist mode and tradition of analysis and >>> understanding, Afrocentrism, or an African-centered approach. >>> The importance of employing the scientific socialist analysis to our >>> situation is based on fact that African society is, like any other >>> other society, dynamic, is subject to change and develops both >>> evolutionary and revolutionary towards a qualitatively higher and >>> complex stage, is not static, hence it is important to study the laws > >>> of social development. >>> Herein, in my understanding, is the link between Pan Africanism, >>> African nationalism and Marxism (scientific socialism). All applied >>> together, I believe must ultimately enable the party to establish a >>> dynamic Africanist socialist democracy free from backwardness, racist > >>> myths and underdevelopment, which ensures progress and guarantees >>> conditions necessary for the realisation of the full potential of an >>> African person for him or her to project his or her African >>> Personality as a universal being who commands influence in the world >>> in all sectors of human activity. >>> Remember >>> we engage in struggle for an African to ultimately make a lasting >>> contribution in human progress and civilisation. >>> >>> Izwelethu!! >>> >>> Mawande Jack >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *Mohlomphegi Mphahlele >>> *Sent:* 16 December 2009 07:28 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] Ideology >>> >>> Majoni! >>> >>> Please let me take this opportunity to further elaborate more on the >>> question of Ideology. The truth is that we have comrades who regard >>> themselves as Marxist within PAC. Unfortunately this comrades in >>> their study of Marxism they somehow missed Marxism on the question of > >>> a National Struggle. If I may qoute Marxist cannot be envolved with >>> theoritically upholding Internationalism that they dismiss their own >>> Nation's concrete National Liberation Struggle. If that happens that >>> would be a caricature of Marxism. Mao referes to those people as >>> people who want to liquidate the National question.Nationalism means >>> exclusivism and isolation. African Nationalism means and is for >>> equality not superiority. As Africans we are the vivtims of >>> Nationalism that preaches superiority and inferiority. >>> The >>> masses of Africa wants national equality, democratic rights for their > >>> nationality equal with all other nations. >>> >>> Buorgeois Nationalism( ochestrated by ANC,SACP and BEE) isolates the >>> oppresed masses from their mass allies and delivers them into the >>> hands of the exploiters and reactionaries of their own nationality. >>> The succesful National Liberation Movement unless is let by the >>> working class, it will only defeat foreighn domination, it does not >>> eliminate class exploitation.This is the case with ANC. We have seen >>> liberation Movements defeat foreighn domination only to become >>> Neo-Colonial states governed by a domestic buorgeousie who are >>> absolutely in collaboration with the Ex-rulers(former colonialists). >>> >>> Investment under Neo-Colonialism increases rather than decrease the >>> gap between the rich and the poor. Neo-colonialism is the worst form >>> of imerialism, those who practice it (neo-colonialism) means power >>> without responsibility and for those who suffer from it means >>> exploitation without redress. >>> >>> Comrades who raise or partake in the debates of this issues need to >>> consult. Unless you understand PAC and PAN AFRICANISM one will always > >>> find it difficult to understand and deal with this contradictions. >>> Our words and actions should help to unite and not to devide PAC. >>> They should be beneficial and not harmful to PAC unity and Africanist > >>> Socialist construction.Our words and actions should help to >>> consolidate and not to undermine or weaken our democratic centralism. > >>> Our words and actions should help to strengthen and not to discard or > >>> weaken the leadership of the PAC. >>> >>> The method of handling contradictions among PAC cadreship should be >>> by the democratic method. The method of discussion, of critisism, of >>> persuation and education and not by the method of coercion or >>> repression. >>> >>> Innevitably the enemies of PAC will give expression to their own >>> ideologies. They will stubbonly express themselves on political and >>> ideological question by every means. We should not use the method of >>> repression and prevent them from expressing themselves, we should >>> allow them to do so and at the same time argue with them and direct >>> apropriete criticism to them. We must undoubtedly criticise wrong >>> ideas of every description. >>> >>> It certainly would not be right to refrain from criticism, we cannot >>> look and say nothing as wrong ideas spread unchecked and allow them >>> to monopolize the situation. Unfortunately we did so. Mistakes must >>> be criticised and poisonous weeds fought wherever they crop up. Such >>> criticism should not be dogmatic. What is needed is scientific >>> analysis and convincing arguments. To criticise comrades short >>> comings is necessary. in doing so we must truly take the stand of the > >>> Pan Africanists and speak out whole-heartedly with eagerness to >>> protect and educate them. TREATING COMRADES LIKE ENEMIES IS TO GO >>> OVER THE STAND OF THE ENEMY. >>> >>> Some comrades in the PAC have become arrogant and high-handed in >>> their behavior towards other comrades. They always blame other >>> comrades but never themselves.They always see their own achievement >>> but never their own short comings. this comrades assert to the notion > >>> of "idipendence" usually wedded to the doctrine of "me first" and are > >>> generally wrong on the question of the relationship between the >>> individual and the PAC. Though in words they profess respect for the >>> PAC in practice they put themselves first and the PAC second. >>> >>> This comrades are after fame and position and want to be in the >>> limelight. >>> When they are put in charge they assert their "indipendence" with >>> this aim they draw some comrades in, push others out and they resort >>> to boasting and touting among the comrades importing their valgur >>> style of the bourgeois political parties like ANC into PAC. It is >>> their dishonesty that causes their grief. >>> >>> I believe we should do things honestly for without an honest attitude > >>> it is absolutely impossible to accomplish anything in this world. >>> >>> COMRADES LETS WORK TIRELESLY TO PREVENT THE PAC GAINS IN THE STRUGGLE > >>> FOR A SOCIALIST DEMOCRATIC AZANIA AND AFRIKA. >>> >>> Forward to a socialist revolution.tomorrow a United Monolithic Giant >>> Socialist Afrika!!! >>> Izwe Lethu!!!! >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> ** >>> >>> -- >>> Sending your posting to [email protected] >>> >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] >>> >>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> >>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>> >>> -- >>> Sending your posting to [email protected] >>> >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] >>> >>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>> >>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mutavhatsindi >> Briza Business Enterprise >> Cell: +27 76 213 1770 >> Fax: 086 655 8967 >> >> -- >> Sending your posting to [email protected] >> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] >> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------ > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > -- > Sending your posting to [email protected] > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > > -- > Sending your posting to [email protected] > > Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] > > You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm -- Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
