Afrika is one and Afrikans are one people. We are one people. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:40 AM, eazy mampye <[email protected]> wrote:
> Cde Hlomphi > > The extract is not saying what you are saying. If you study the Southern > African history you will find out that even our selves we are not the people > who were originally from this part of the continent. So technically one > could say we are also settlers. > I think we need out grow such politics and demand socialist workers state, > obviously realizing Petty racial politics of our country. > > Ke shaetsa kere yalo mokgwaga > > --- On *Tue, 6/28/11, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]>*wrote: > > > From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 4:48 PM > > > Cdr Mduduzi and all other Africanists > > Race remains as Sobukwe has said a thorny issue. Like you comrade it is > really difficult for me to separate an African from a Settler. However I > pasted an extract from Sobukwe State of the Nation Campaign and believe it > should give us an insight into this whole issue of race. > > *"We will go on, Sons and Daughters of Afrika, until in every shanty, in > every bunk in the compounds, in every hut in the deserted villages, in every > valley and on every hill top, the cry of African freedom and independence is > heard. We will continue until we walk the streets of our land as free men > and free women, our heads held high. We will go on until the day dawns when > every person who is in Afrika will be African and a man's colour will be as > irrelevant as is the shape of his ears. We will go on, steadfastly, > relentlessly and determinedly until the cry of "Afrika for the Africans, the > Africans for humanity and humanity for God" becomes a reality; until > government of the Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait > accompli".* > ** > Having read through this extract then the answer will be whites as part of > the foreighn possesser and usurpers of our land remains settlers. All whites > irrispective of whatever will remain settlers as long as they continue > holding on our land that was brutally stolen from Africans. They will remain > settlers and not Africans until the day dawn on which our revolutionary > mission is complete. To take from the above extract; until government of the > Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait accompli. I believe that > though our leaders appeared more moderate for reconciliation purpose on the > issue of settlers the truth remains as Mogabe has put it that "A SETTLER > REMAINS A SETTLER". > > We should stop contradicting our selve thinking for people who care less > about us. > > > --- On *Wed, 6/22/11, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: [PAYCO] > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:45 PM > > Cde Seroke and Mzu > > On the issue of race and who was an African this is what Sobukwe said > > “*Politically we stand for government of the Africans for the Africans by > the Africans with everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts > the democratic rule of an African majority, being regarded as an African. We > guarantee no minority rights because we are fighting precisely that > group-exclusiveness which those who plead for minority rights would like to > perpetuate. It is our view that if we have guaranteed individual liberties > we have given the highest guarantee necessary and possible. I have said > before, and I will still say so now, that I see no reason why, in a free, > democratic Africa, a predominantly black electorate should not return a > white man to parliament, for colour will count for nothing in a free > Africa.”* > > During the late eighties and early 90’s. I grappled with the problem of > harmonizing the concepts of white minority rule, (as it was a common phrase > or a cliché that was used in the literature of liberation movements) and > what Sobukwe had said about who was an African and our unqualified loathing > of minority rights guarantees. Sometimes in 1993, Former president > Clarence Makwethu had a meeting with Mr. fw De klerk. According to > President Makwethu, F.W said to him. “ Mr. Makwethu, can I have a question > to you ?”. Makwethu said “ go ahead” “Who is a settler” asked De Klerk. You > see, without a coherent ideological understanding, it would have been > difficult for Makwethu to delineate our position in as far as the issue of > race and who was an African. however, Mr. Makwethu ,was at times, astute and > vibrant in debates. He clarified the position to Mr. De Klerk. The question > that you raised about the over- inclusiveness of the definition of African > is a problem that I don’t think that as an africanist i will address it > satisfactorily. We define an African as “everybody who owes his only loyalty > to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority” the > questions becomes, what about those that are natives in this country but do > not want to accept the democratic rule of the African majority. admittedly, > we as africanist are extremely reluctant to regard whites as Africans. The > very same tagging them as settlers was ideologically incorrect. I know very > well that some of you that have read to this passage may be now beginning > to tag me as a liberal. Be what it may be, this is my understanding which > may also be ideologically incorrect. The question is, designations such as > Settlers, Europeans and others, were they to be used perpetually*. *What > did we mean when we said and venerated Sobukwe’s words which read as* “in > our vocabulary, the word races as applied to man, does not exist, we regard > multiracism as racism multiplied*” I do not gainsay the indisputable fact > that there are whites, who are even to this day, do not want to accept the > democratic rule of the majority. Isolating them from the definition of who > is an African becomes as difficult as flogging a dead horse to life again. > Maybe, the concept of human race was just a simplicity, how is it applied. > Let’s be honest. Do we regard whites today as Africans ? > > > > the question is very difficult for me > > * * > > kind regards > > *Mduduzi Sibeko* > > *Admin/finance* > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > T +27-11-724-9281 > C +27-71-101-2595 > F +27-11-900-1929 > > F 086-754-2176 > E > [email protected]<http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > *www.randwater.co.za* > > > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf > Of *Mzu Cabanga > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:59 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] > > > > Dear comrade Mduduzi, > > As a young Afrikan I thank Afrikans like you and Jaki who I can see are > still making it their duty to nurture young Afrikans out there unlike some > who were in the APLA and are now a disgrace to Pan Afrikanism. > > Is the definition of an Afrikan that tata Sobukwe still relevant today > given the experiences recently? > > I think I need a bit of a clarity on this as I think it is too inclusive, > inclusive of people who wants to be excluded from this category. > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko > <[email protected]<http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > wrote: > > Dear comrade Mzu: > > > > I was not able to respond to your response last week due to some daily > chores and work commitments. However, I need to make the following comments. > You seem to have a parochial view of our political antecedents. It is a > simple thing to blame the ANC and NP for the World Trade Center settlement, > and other thing to absolve the blame to the PAC . this, I say, because you > indicate that the victory was the ANC’S. The point I wanted to make was > that, during the negotiations, the capitalists were much aware of what they > were likely to lose in negotiations. Eventually, they sought to safeguard > the following > > > · Sunset clause (Power sharing) > · Bill of rights ( right to own a property) > · TRC ( a means to evade jail for offenders of > apartheid) > > > The foregoing list is not exhaustive, however, it is indicative of the fact > that whites acted proactively. As I indicated that in any armed conflict, > parties in belligerence ought to negotiate the immunity of belligerents. > World history in armed conflicts is replete with examples of diplomacy or > negotiations after wartime for the protection of the guerrillas. Admittedly, > we were inexperienced and myopic of the fact that our fraternal brothers ( > ANC) would turn against us. As a result, we are sitting with an challenging > problem of having our comrades languishing in prisons in a country they > fought to liberate. Unfortunately, to resolve this problem, insurrection can > never be an ideal solution, rather constitutional means can be appropriate. > However, the so called presidential pardons are invariably taking protracted > time. it is very touching that people that fought to liberate us are behind > bars. > > > > > > > > > > *KInd regards* > > *Mduduzi Sibeko* > > *Admin/finance* > > [image: cid:[email protected]] > T +27-11-724-9281 > C +27-71-101-2595 > F +27-11-900-1929 > > F 086-754-2176 > Email: > [email protected]<http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > URL *:www.randwater.co.za* > > > > This email and any accompanying attachments may contain confidential and > proprietary information. 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