eazy The historiography that you use is colonial. We are one people as Afrikans.
One Afrika One Nation! Izwe Lethu! On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:12 AM, RAS MENELIK AZANIA < [email protected]> wrote: > Afrika is one and Afrikans are one people. We are one people. > > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 8:40 AM, eazy mampye <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cde Hlomphi >> >> The extract is not saying what you are saying. If you study the Southern >> African history you will find out that even our selves we are not the people >> who were originally from this part of the continent. So technically one >> could say we are also settlers. >> I think we need out grow such politics and demand socialist workers state, >> obviously realizing Petty racial politics of our country. >> >> Ke shaetsa kere yalo mokgwaga >> >> --- On *Tue, 6/28/11, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]>*wrote: >> >> >> From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> >> >> Subject: RE: [PAYCO] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 4:48 PM >> >> >> Cdr Mduduzi and all other Africanists >> >> Race remains as Sobukwe has said a thorny issue. Like you comrade it is >> really difficult for me to separate an African from a Settler. However I >> pasted an extract from Sobukwe State of the Nation Campaign and believe it >> should give us an insight into this whole issue of race. >> >> *"We will go on, Sons and Daughters of Afrika, until in every shanty, in >> every bunk in the compounds, in every hut in the deserted villages, in every >> valley and on every hill top, the cry of African freedom and independence is >> heard. We will continue until we walk the streets of our land as free men >> and free women, our heads held high. We will go on until the day dawns when >> every person who is in Afrika will be African and a man's colour will be as >> irrelevant as is the shape of his ears. We will go on, steadfastly, >> relentlessly and determinedly until the cry of "Afrika for the Africans, the >> Africans for humanity and humanity for God" becomes a reality; until >> government of the Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait >> accompli".* >> ** >> Having read through this extract then the answer will be whites as part of >> the foreighn possesser and usurpers of our land remains settlers. All whites >> irrispective of whatever will remain settlers as long as they continue >> holding on our land that was brutally stolen from Africans. They will remain >> settlers and not Africans until the day dawn on which our revolutionary >> mission is complete. To take from the above extract; until government of the >> Africans by the Africans for the Africans is a fait accompli. I believe that >> though our leaders appeared more moderate for reconciliation purpose on the >> issue of settlers the truth remains as Mogabe has put it that "A SETTLER >> REMAINS A SETTLER". >> >> We should stop contradicting our selve thinking for people who care less >> about us. >> >> >> --- On *Wed, 6/22/11, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]> >> Subject: RE: [PAYCO] >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:45 PM >> >> Cde Seroke and Mzu >> >> On the issue of race and who was an African this is what Sobukwe said >> >> “*Politically we stand for government of the Africans for the Africans by >> the Africans with everybody who owes his only loyalty to Africa and accepts >> the democratic rule of an African majority, being regarded as an African. We >> guarantee no minority rights because we are fighting precisely that >> group-exclusiveness which those who plead for minority rights would like to >> perpetuate. It is our view that if we have guaranteed individual liberties >> we have given the highest guarantee necessary and possible. I have said >> before, and I will still say so now, that I see no reason why, in a free, >> democratic Africa, a predominantly black electorate should not return a >> white man to parliament, for colour will count for nothing in a free >> Africa.”* >> >> During the late eighties and early 90’s. I grappled with the problem of >> harmonizing the concepts of white minority rule, (as it was a common phrase >> or a cliché that was used in the literature of liberation movements) and >> what Sobukwe had said about who was an African and our unqualified loathing >> of minority rights guarantees. Sometimes in 1993, Former president >> Clarence Makwethu had a meeting with Mr. fw De klerk. According to >> President Makwethu, F.W said to him. “ Mr. Makwethu, can I have a question >> to you ?”. Makwethu said “ go ahead” “Who is a settler” asked De Klerk. You >> see, without a coherent ideological understanding, it would have been >> difficult for Makwethu to delineate our position in as far as the issue of >> race and who was an African. however, Mr. Makwethu ,was at times, astute and >> vibrant in debates. He clarified the position to Mr. De Klerk. The question >> that you raised about the over- inclusiveness of the definition of African >> is a problem that I don’t think that as an africanist i will address it >> satisfactorily. We define an African as “everybody who owes his only loyalty >> to Africa and accepts the democratic rule of an African majority” the >> questions becomes, what about those that are natives in this country but do >> not want to accept the democratic rule of the African majority. admittedly, >> we as africanist are extremely reluctant to regard whites as Africans. The >> very same tagging them as settlers was ideologically incorrect. I know very >> well that some of you that have read to this passage may be now beginning >> to tag me as a liberal. Be what it may be, this is my understanding which >> may also be ideologically incorrect. The question is, designations such as >> Settlers, Europeans and others, were they to be used perpetually*. *What >> did we mean when we said and venerated Sobukwe’s words which read as* “in >> our vocabulary, the word races as applied to man, does not exist, we regard >> multiracism as racism multiplied*” I do not gainsay the indisputable fact >> that there are whites, who are even to this day, do not want to accept the >> democratic rule of the majority. Isolating them from the definition of who >> is an African becomes as difficult as flogging a dead horse to life again. >> Maybe, the concept of human race was just a simplicity, how is it applied. >> Let’s be honest. Do we regard whites today as Africans ? >> >> >> >> the question is very difficult for me >> >> * * >> >> kind regards >> >> *Mduduzi Sibeko* >> >> *Admin/finance* >> >> [image: cid:[email protected]] >> T +27-11-724-9281 >> C +27-71-101-2595 >> F +27-11-900-1929 >> >> F 086-754-2176 >> E >> [email protected]<http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> *www.randwater.co.za* >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf >> Of *Mzu Cabanga >> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:59 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] >> >> >> >> Dear comrade Mduduzi, >> >> As a young Afrikan I thank Afrikans like you and Jaki who I can see are >> still making it their duty to nurture young Afrikans out there unlike some >> who were in the APLA and are now a disgrace to Pan Afrikanism. >> >> Is the definition of an Afrikan that tata Sobukwe still relevant today >> given the experiences recently? >> >> I think I need a bit of a clarity on this as I think it is too inclusive, >> inclusive of people who wants to be excluded from this category. >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko >> <[email protected]<http://us.mc451.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> Dear comrade Mzu: >> >> >> >> I was not able to respond to your response last week due to some daily >> chores and work commitments. However, I need to make the following comments. >> You seem to have a parochial view of our political antecedents. It is a >> simple thing to blame the ANC and NP for the World Trade Center settlement, >> and other thing to absolve the blame to the PAC . this, I say, because you >> indicate that the victory was the ANC’S. The point I wanted to make was >> that, during the negotiations, the capitalists were much aware of what they >> were likely to lose in negotiations. Eventually, they sought to safeguard >> the following >> >> >> · Sunset clause (Power sharing) >> · Bill of rights ( right to own a property) >> · TRC ( a means to evade jail for offenders of >> apartheid) >> >> >> The foregoing list is not exhaustive, however, it is indicative of the >> fact that whites acted proactively. As I indicated that in any armed >> conflict, parties in belligerence ought to negotiate the immunity of >> belligerents. World history in armed conflicts is replete with examples of >> diplomacy or negotiations after wartime for the protection of the >> guerrillas. Admittedly, we were inexperienced and myopic of the fact that >> our fraternal brothers ( ANC) would turn against us. As a result, we are >> sitting with an challenging problem of having our comrades languishing in >> prisons in a country they fought to liberate. Unfortunately, to resolve this >> problem, insurrection can never be an ideal solution, rather constitutional >> means can be appropriate. 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