North Africans - Poqo I think we have heard by now that the first race to invade Africa, I am just not sure of the exact century but it was way before the Berlin conference in the 14th century. Hence you Arab nations in Northern African Countries like Egypt,Morocco,libya,Algeria,Tunisia e.t.c. This invasion happened long ago that we regarded them as Africans and it was also not peaceful as well as black Africans (only Africans) were displaced. We have no Arab nation in Africa as we are people of cultures and traditions, we believe in ancestors in Africa like Lumumba used to always say.
I do not think anyone needs to be told about whites. Also your question comrade Mdu "Suppose PAC was in power" my correction there would be "supposed black people were in power" as the PAC should seek to play a uniting role or you may call it a vanguard party role which will lead the black masses to their true destination. The problem with PAC staying in power is it will seek to have a ruling elite which will always be above others even if the oppressor has been defeated. It happened in Russia when the bolsheviks massacred the workers in Kronstadt becase they were governing themselves properly and that was showing the uselessness of a vanguard party which does not dissolve hirearchy as time goes on ( what Marx in Europe would say - The withering away of the state). Suppose black people were in power I think now we are going back to what Garvey once campaigned for ( Blacks should all return to Africa as they did not voluntarily go wherever they are in the diaspora but were forced by these alien races we find in Africa. Not only were they removed from their land of birth but from their roots, their ancestral land which caused them to be confused and later came with confused conclusions when it comes to culture (Du Bois saying culture is primitive and outdated e.t.c.) because they were cut off from their spiritual land. Therefore comrades I think it would be very selfish of us to share Africa with alien races after all they did to us. How do we deal with them? Some of them will die in the struggle because to think that we are going to negotiate black power is thinking we can give an Arab a non-hallal meal......lol We can either avenge the blood of our forefathers and destroy them or we can let them live peacefully, that depends on what black people decide. We should also understand that at the time of tata Sobukwe nad his comrades the political climate was different and now we can see some of the things they did not see or hid them under phrases. His definition of an African speaks volumes and is famous quote. The reason whites conquered was because of the fear of their genetic survival and not greed as we think. So from the onset the war is a genetic warfare, the war for the survival and the dominance of the races. I hope I have answered your question. And please do criticise with an open heart. Don't hold back because these are the challenges that we are faced with, questions we have to answer and I'm afraid if we lose you veterans now there will be divisions in the PAC. Izwelethu I-Afrika Mayibuye!!!! On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]>wrote: > Mzu**** > > ** ** > > Can I get your opinion. Suppose the PAC was in power, or just won election. > How would you deal with people of European ancestry. Would you eliminate > them or displace them in South Africa. North Africans , for example, Arabs > in particular, are they indigenous Africans ? if they are not why do we > refer to them as Africans. But, I want everybody to know unequivocally that > Sobukwe and others were vehement supporters of the human race concept. To > them, geographic habitation was to account for skin differentiation. they > abhorred the nefarious treatment of the Africans by their fellow human > beings, henceforth they challenged western imperialism with its concomitant > colonialism. So, we need to separate the wheat from the chaff when we deal > with the cause of our liberation struggle.**** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf > Of *Mzu Cabanga > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:03 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO]**** > > ** ** > > Dear Comrade Mdu: > > > Firstly I thank you for raising such a thought provoking issue which is > critical to all Pan Africanist. > I also think it is rather harsh to say my thoughts exhibit the highest form > of racial extremism but that is also your opinion. > I will also consider your suggestion of revisiting the writings of Sobukwe > and Peter Rabaroko however reality forces us to change how we see things > currently. > Firstly Pan Africanism is way to old to only mention tata Sobukwe and > Rabaroko as the pioneers of it with all due respect. > We have also pioneers like Padmore, Du Bois and Garvey to name the few. > They all had different views but were on the same path. > > We have found ourselves in the diaspora within Africa because of these > races which are curremtly in Africa and are entrenching their values, > cultures and religions to Africans. > We must also understand that not only land which is wealth was stolen from > us but our identity was stolen and destroyed too. > You find our brothers in the North now are Muslims and Arabs because of the > pressure from the Arabs who were the first to invade our Africa forcefully > too and were disturbed by the whites who were dominant to them and they also > brought their Christianity as well. > > Our identity is all but ashes as we speak because of these races. > > I repeat Pan Africanism is not determined by tata Sobukwe, Rabaroko, > Padmore etal but it is every black wo/men in Africa finds themselves in the > situation they are in because of all these alien races who invaded Africa. > If we fail to see it that way then we will find ourselves falling on the > same trap over and over again. Also Pan Africanism should not only focus on > economics and politics only but also on values and cultures of Africa. What > was undone that needs to be restored and not just land and wealth plus > political power only but our being as well. Living as an Afrikcan and being > religiously and culturally independant from thesse alien races in Africa. > > In the case of these alien races in Africa, I fail to understand how we can > accomodate them in Africa knowing how they came to Africa and what pain they > caused. Deaths of innocent Africans who tried to defend themselves from this > evil attack. > > Those people are still wounded even though they are dead, Mama Afrika is > crying for her children who were massacred without a reson. > For us to be so forgiving and be willing to share Africa with them is a > huge mistake which will haunt us for generations. > Our generation is the last generation that can undo the mistakes that were > done by our forefathers, as human beings they were not immune to mistakes. > > Disagreeing on certain issues shows that we are human beings and is good > for diversity of ideas but to differ because we are trapped in the cage that > our Pioneers created is my problem. Their ideas were not cut on stone. We > should also chllenge them because if we are still trapped in their thinking > then we are denying ourselves a room for growth politically. Times have > changed and the reality forces us to revisit what they thought before and > update their thoughts. > > Izwelethu!!!!!!!! > > > **** > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > **** > > Dear comrade Mzu:**** > > **** > > I have noticed on myriad occasions that your thoughts exhibit the highest > form of racial extremism. The armed struggle with its concomitants slogans > such as “ one settler, one bullet” is to be apportioned a blame for a > continued radicalism that exist today in the PAC. Some of you think that our > radicalism, which we espoused in late 60’s and 90’s, was to run perpetually. > I challenge you to digest the writings of our pioneer fathers such as Robert > Sobukwe, Peter Raboroko and others. You will come to a realization that > kicking out white people or any national groups, as we have seen in some > countries that followed ethnic cleansing, amount to the opposite of white > PAC said. 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