Mo Afrika Elijah just a few questions... When you speak of land do you speak of agricultural land only? What about the land where hotels, factories, mines, and surbubs are?
How do you envisage us taking land without removing white people from it? Do we just forget about what these reptiles did to our forefathers? Massacres, history erased, disconnection from their god? I believe we all know that we were not hathens before settlers arrived. Also I think we also know that not only white people invaded Afrika but also Arabs invaded North Afrika as early as 641 AD. As much as we want to be politically correct ma Afrika but other things just do not allow us to. On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Elijah Skhosana < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Fellow Africanists,**** > > ** ** > > The pan africanists in Africa and in the diaspora differ on what they > emphasize, on how they see possible solutions for African problems and who > can be granted citizenship on the continent. This is natural to human > beings. However there is a point where we must agree to disagree and yet > work together towards a common goal which is the total liberation of Azania > and this should be the measure of our political maturity, alas, I have found > the PAC Africanists lacking in this hence the embarrassing history of > divisions. **** > > ** ** > > The basic documents set the tone and direction of our pan africanism, they > define the PAC. Our founding fathers did not yield to the brutality of the > time they did not yield to anger and frustration, in the fog they saw > clearly not allowing the enemy to take away what was left of them, that is, > humanity. They declared that humanity is one and that Africa belongs to > Africans and gave us a broad definition of who is an African, and if they > did not do this the PAC would have been in the same level as Ku Klux and the > Nazis deriving our programme of action from racial hatred. We quote Prof > Sobukwe and other African intellectuals not because we heroe-worship them > but because we agree with them. They have shown us the light. > > **** > > What is frustrating the most might not be the presence of the settlers on > our land but the fact that we have no deliberate programme of action to > fulfill the mandate of the PAC which is the return of the land to its > rightful owners and the rebuilding of our nation. I do not see why one > should continue hating the white people once the land has been returned and > justice meted out. **** > > ** ** > > What must set us apart from the likes of the ANC is not some misguided > radicalism but our un-wavering commitment to truth and justice. I have > similar reservations about parliamentary politics, what are we doing there > at the time we can barely keep the organization floating and we have not > clearly defined ourselves in the present political set up. Whenever one > talks economics with the Africanists I am given an impression that land and > socialism will bring economic justice for our people of which I am > skeptical. Agriculture can only give us food security and we need more than > that to become economically viable. We need industries, innovation, science, > knowledge and good education, an inspiring vision and most importantly the > human factor- we need an industrious nation committed soul and body to its > greatness. We will remain poor if we do not produce value-added goods and we > keep on relying on our raw materials which we sell cheap to the > manufacturing nations and we are in no way developing our human capacity. > Such economic relations persist unabated in our country where the black > nation have nothing to offer in the economic mainstream except our sweats > and blood selling our cheap labour and as consumers and hawkers while the > white population are either owners of industries or white collar workers.* > *** > > ** ** > > We need to commit to a clearly defined strategy to rebuild our nation.**** > > ** ** > > Iphasi lekhethu alibuye Ma-Afrika**** > > Elijah**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf > Of *Mzu Cabanga > *Sent:* 15 July 2011 09:08 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO]**** > > ** ** > > How do we then forsee this repossesion of our land if we still have the > settler around. > > Driving white people in the sea is a very bad way of putting it but how do > you think the white men is going to hand the land to us after centuries of > bravery from young white men fighting to destroy our race. > > Humanity is a very sexy name moAfrika Mdu but what claims do whites have in > Afrika? they do not belong in Afrika. > > Why should we be so generous when there is no black men who owns land in > Europe. > > I think moAfrika we are doing the mistake if we do not update the mistakes > that our previous leaders made because of the political climate at that > time. > > Firstly wether we like it or not the definition of an Afrikan is not > accurate because tata Sobukwe never for a second did he try and use the word > i*ndeginous* in his definition. > > Also we have fallen in the trap of Parliament hence we are defeated like > boys fighting with men because we cannot fight for our people when the are > Parliamentarians amongst us. > > They always sought to defend their priviledges and huge salaries of being > Parliamentarians hence Lethlapa is the way he is now. > > We cannot fight for the emancipation of black people and at the same time > defend white interests in Afrika. > > If that is what the basic document is then it needs to be updated.**** > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Dear Mzu:**** > > You wrote “maybe we do not need settlers in Afrika whilst we are still > busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade with them but I do not > forsee that”**** > > **** > > the penny dropped after protracted time, that driving a white man in to the > sea was never a PAC policy. The basic document that we have been recently > invoking for our politics does not exclude white people as human beings. We > talk of human race, an all inclusive approach to the question of race. I > wonder why we continue with the rhetoric of driving settlers away in > Africa. We us understand, in no uncertain terms, that even if the PAC were > to win elections. Driving white people away if far from being our approach. > Let us rather understand how do we approach the race question and the > indisputable fact that they still own our material possessions, that is, 87 > % of our land and 80 % of wealth is in their hands.**** > > **** > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf > Of *Mzu Cabanga > *Sent:* Thursday, July 14, 2011 5:10 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO]**** > > **** > > It is not for me as an individual to come up with a solution for the > Afrikans but all of the Afrikans collectively. > > Poqo we cannot do as the charterists are doing currently i.e. Presenting a > solution for the masses as an elite that thinks they are more educated than > the masses. Represantative democracy has proved itself that it is a disaster > in many states around Afrika not that I am a fan of democracy. > > One thing I can say for now is that Land has to be expropriated(in a > liberal democracy like SA but as Pan Afrikanists we reposses the land that > was robbed from us) from the settlers and maybe we do not need settlers in > Afrika whilst we are still busy rebuilding Afrika maybe later we can trade > with them but I do not forsee that. > > What we need for Afrika is an economic system which is pro-black(You > affirmitive action policies,Ho can a minority affirm a majority in their > indeginous land) an economy that will remedy the wounds of Afrikans which > have been rubbed salt onto by the Market orientated socio economic policies > that the ANC (infact the settlers under the disguise of the Vararas) which > have proved themselves that they are anti-black. > > Our people need land and skills to use the land. We cannot promise people > houses when land is still occupied by whites, we cannot promise jobs when > that simply means making someone rich and you just surviving. > > We also need an education system which embraces indeginous knowledge and > not this Eurocentric system which is destroying our youth like the Chinese > who are teaching acupuncture and it is taught in Higher Learning > institutions. > > All of this can only be attained if we can de colonise our masses and in > doing so de colonising ourselves as well and UNITY is the only way we can > defeat the enemy. > > I am sure zindlalifa you can also assist because we really need our own > socio economic policy document for without it we will fail to deliver to our > masses after we have taken the land and not after we are in power in > Parliament because Parliament is hell.**** > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > Hi Cde Mzu:**** > > **** > > *Your writings seem to be averse to socio-economic policies such as GEAR, > even though, you don’t go at length ridiculing their counterparts such as > ASGISA and others. Recently, you have been expressing your loath to the > admiration of former ANC President, Thabo Mbeki by some of our comrades such > as Cunningham. But my concern is PAC people have been championing to censure > economic policies of other parties without voicing alternatives for the > African people. In the 90’s, I remember a policy document that was > formulated by Dr. Sipho Tshabalala. It amongst other thing touched serious > matters such as nationalization, privatization and other issue that have > resurged recently in the ANCYL. That was the last time, I hear of an > economic talk within the file and rank membership of the PAC. The > neo-liberal socio economic policies of the ANC, which are Keynesian, have > been a center of debate by the alliance itself and the intelligentsia. Many > social science writers have poured scorn to what the ANC have been doing in > the context of socio economic policies. 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