All I can say is if we continue to seek political correctness, we will dig again our own grave.
It does not require rocket science to see the enemy here. Izwelethu!!!!! On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Jaki Seroke <[email protected]> wrote: > Comrades > It is perhaps unfair to expect a high level of debate and discussion on > the merits of Pan Africanism as a revolutionary tool of positive action > against imperialism, when some of the participants in the forum have not > read widely enough or given deep thought on the subject in a way that they'd > sometimes express their ignorance rather than inform and educate. There is > always the danger that if we follow this route we would be dumbing down and > not really enriching the discussion. I also take the particular use of > swear words as uncouth and a form of intimidation of other participants, > which reveals political bankruptcy rather than critical analysis from the > bearer We often laughed at the satirical wisecracks that explained > cowardice of the native forces that submitted to colonial invasion when they > reported to their leader that the marauding Boers took all their cattle and > important belongings, but that they in return were so good with insults from > the mountain top that they felt good inside. Their comical leader was also > impressed with the newly found swear words, at the expense of > dispossession. > I therefore urge all of us to do the right things - observe decorum and > common courtesies, openness and fair criticism. And to read widely. The > newspaper columnists who went into trouble in recent times for the use of > toilet images, sexism, homophobia, ethnicity and self aggrandisement, > called it upon themselves to lose such important forums to engage in public > debate on pertinent national issues. Using the race card to get your way in > discussions is the refuge of scoundrels, pure and simple. The disciplinary > code of the PAC says we must vanquish opponents with facts, not the knuckle > duster. > Pan Africanism as we know it is the antidote of slave mentality, > colonialism with its divided and rule tactics, capitalist exploitation and > imperialism. These dark forces found willing and compliant people in > Africa, such as the swear brigade, who sold out by taking their own to the > slave ship for pieces of silver in their trade with the Arabs and > Europeans. Out of ignorance, African people even killed resistance leaders > such as uShaka kaSenzangakhona, Amilcar Cabral, Patrice Lumumba and Thomas > Sankara, as Mzu Cabanga states. Compare this to the Red indians in America > who chose suicide rather than to be a slave, or betray at will. > Philosophers of Pan Africanism arose from the learning institutions and from > the crucible of struggle. From Frederick Douglass to the man in the street > who was at the coal face of white supremacy, Pan Africanism went on to > become a salient feature in the bosoms of people of colour worldwide, and > all national resistance movements were inspired by this approach. Of course > there were betrayals each time the African people heightened their mass > action and were about to reach the rendezvous of victory. History has > many such examples and post independence neo-colonial Africa has legions of > them. > It is naive to start discussions with a conclusion that undermines the > contributions of Mangaliso Sobukwe and his colleagues in the Africanist > school of thought. The basic political theory expressed by AP Mda, John > Pokela, Zeph Mothopeng, Peter Raboroko, Sobukwe and others such as Steve > Biko, is a phenomenal revolutionary aspect of our political legacy. The > world wide Pan Africanist movement looks up to the Pan Africanist Congress > of Azania for their revolutionary political home. We will rise with the > masses at every stage of their social development, as genuine vanguard of > the African Revolution, showing the light, expressing our faith in their > ability to fight and to win, until final victory. We are anti-nobody but > pro Africa. Oppression is not an abstraction - the settler colonialist, the > landlord, the exploiting capitalist, the ruthless baas-boy, and the colonial > chief, are all representatives of the cause of the misery of the people. > Remove the association with the instrument of oppression, and they will > be accepted by the African people. As Prof said, it is not impossible in a > free and liberated Africa to have a white man as president. He will be > doing so as an African. Political theory is not an emotional outburst. It > is carefully thought out. Our vision and mission is the civilisation of > humanity. > The PAC leadership believed we could tame Christianity and use it as a > liberatory force. The same applies to the notion of communism. As > Africanists with anti-imperialist credo, we believed in democracy as > understood in the West. We denounce the patchwork of colonial parentage and > borders on the African continent, tomorrow we will have a single monolithic > government. Our planned economy - taking from the West and from the East - > will benefit the people of Africa. If for instance you do not share the > outlook of the PAC and fail/refuse to add critical value, it is impossible > to carry out the task and historical mission. We will label you a traitor. > Letlapa Mphahlele said in a radio interview two weeks ago that 'the PAC was > pathetic.' He had said this before in many other forums. How can you lead > a cause you do not believe in? Using the army as an analogy, the general > believes in the capability of his forces. He understands his role, to > inspire and to unite them into a fighting machine, to recover and > turn-around, and march to victory. He shows the light, like Sobukwe has done > under very difficult circumstances, and the cadres will follow. Not > mangamanga. > The Pan Africanist Congress of Azania is the African people. If the PAC > is weak, the African people are weak. If the structures and organisational > culture of the Party degenerates, the African people suffer. If the > shepherd is sloppy and clumsy and he falls asleep on duty, the flock goes > astray. Our orientation of working for victory and success, should be an > internal locus of control. We are our own liberators. > Izwe lethu iAfrika > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:08:46 +0200 > Subject: Re: [PAYCO] > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > I thank you then comrade Mdu. > However I see that other Africans are not participating in debates which I > do not want to jump to conlusions as to why as we know resources could also > be the problem to that. > I urge all Africans who can to participate on such debates. PAC has to be > ressurected by all of us. > We do not want to find ourselves in the same situation that our leaders > were in before us, the situation in Burkina Faso when Sankara was > assasinated. > We need to be all Sankaras and that for me is the strength that past Pan > Africanists did not have. > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko > <[email protected]>wrote: > > I hope you will consider my writing to you as a critique rather than a > parental rebuke. I say so, because you sound doleful when you say “I *also > think it is rather harsh to say my thoughts exhibit the highest form of > racial extremism but that is also your opinion*” you see, writers, get > reviews who criticize them about their respective works. If a censure, does > not insult (at times, some comrades go to the extent of insulting one > another) consider it critical. The fact that your thoughts and writings > evoke some reactions from some of us, indicate that you are a thought > provoker. It is not a harsh treatment when we criticize your thoughts. A > while ago, I met, Dr. K Kondlo, who wrote about PAC history in his thesis, I > reported to him that some comrades within the PAC are critical about the > veracity of some accounts in his book. He said “ Mdu, that’s what I wanted”. > Remember, politics is unlike natural science with fixed laws, but, it is a > dynamic phenomenon. At university, we dealt with a host of scholarship > dealing with philosophy. Think about Machiavelli, Grotius, John Lock and > others. If these folks were contemporaries, do you think, they would agree > with each other? I have not responded on all points you raised. But God > willingly, I will do so when I get time. **** > > ** ** > > Izwe Lethu**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ilto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Mzu Cabanga > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:03 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO]**** > > ** ** > > Dear Comrade Mdu: > > Firstly I thank you for raising such a thought provoking issue which is > critical to all Pan Africanist. > I also think it is rather harsh to say my thoughts exhibit the highest form > of racial extremism but that is also your opinion. > I will also consider your suggestion of revisiting the writings of Sobukwe > and Peter Rabaroko however reality forces us to change how we see things > currently. > Firstly Pan Africanism is way to old to only mention tata Sobukwe and > Rabaroko as the pioneers of it with all due respect. > We have also pioneers like Padmore, Du Bois and Garvey to name the few. > They all had different views but were on the same path. > > We have found ourselves in the diaspora within Africa because of these > races which are curremtly in Africa and are entrenching their values, > cultures and religions to Africans. > We must also understand that not only land which is wealth was stolen from > us but our identity was stolen and destroyed too. > You find our brothers in the North now are Muslims and Arabs because of the > pressure from the Arabs who were the first to invade our Africa forcefully > too and were disturbed by the whites who were dominant to them and they also > brought their Christianity as well. > > Our identity is all but ashes as we speak because of these races. > > I repeat Pan Africanism is not determined by tata Sobukwe, Rabaroko, > Padmore etal but it is every black wo/men in Africa finds themselves in the > situation they are in because of all these alien races who invaded Africa. > If we fail to see it that way then we will find ourselves falling on the > same trap over and over again. Also Pan Africanism should not only focus on > economics and politics only but also on values and cultures of Africa. What > was undone that needs to be restored and not just land and wealth plus > political power only but our being as well. Living as an Afrikcan and being > religiously and culturally independant from thesse alien races in Africa. > > In the case of these alien races in Africa, I fail to understand how we can > accomodate them in Africa knowing how they came to Africa and what pain they > caused. Deaths of innocent Africans who tried to defend themselves from this > evil attack. > > Those people are still wounded even though they are dead, Mama Afrika is > crying for her children who were massacred without a reson. > For us to be so forgiving and be willing to share Africa with them is a > huge mistake which will haunt us for generations. > Our generation is the last generation that can undo the mistakes that were > done by our forefathers, as human beings they were not immune to mistakes. > > Disagreeing on certain issues shows that we are human beings and is good > for diversity of ideas but to differ because we are trapped in the cage that > our Pioneers created is my problem. Their ideas were not cut on stone. We > should also chllenge them because if we are still trapped in their thinking > then we are denying ourselves a room for growth politically. Times have > changed and the reality forces us to revisit what they thought before and > update their thoughts. > > Izwelethu!!!!!!!! > > > **** > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Mduduzi Sibeko <[email protected]> > wrote:**** > > **** > > Dear comrade Mzu:**** > > **** > > I have noticed on myriad occasions that your thoughts exhibit the highest > form of racial extremism. The armed struggle with its concomitants slogans > such as “ one settler, one bullet” is to be apportioned a blame for a > continued radicalism that exist today in the PAC. Some of you think that our > radicalism, which we espoused in late 60’s and 90’s, was to run perpetually. > I challenge you to digest the writings of our pioneer fathers such as Robert > Sobukwe, Peter Raboroko and others. You will come to a realization that > kicking out white people or any national groups, as we have seen in some > countries that followed ethnic cleansing, amount to the opposite of white > PAC said. 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