Just think they could go back to their original practice which only allowed you to register with BARD if you had an approved player. then you wouldn't have to deal with it because you wouldn't have the frustration of being on a site you couldn't access. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Chaltain" <chalt...@gmail.com>
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing


Why wouldn't you be able to get a player from the NLS? If you qualify for the BARD service then you'll be able to get a player free of charge from the NLS.

You talk about using what you've legally acquired, but when you signed up for the NLS and the BARD site in particular, you agreed to abide by it's terms. Just because you now find those terms inconvenient doesn't mean you have the right to break the law and ignore those terms.



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On 4/18/2010 10:55 AM, James Homuth wrote:
You touched on the problem right there. Every single thing you download from BARD is copy protected. Meaning, if you can't aford to purchase one of their select authorized players, or if you can't get the government to pay for one for you, yet you still want to actually be able to use what you legally have access to, you can't. Unless you break their copy protection, which the BARD loyalists will officially and immediately declare piracy. That isn't piracy,
however. You have access to the material. You were allowed, by BARD, to
download the material. You are authorized, by BARD, to keep, and listen to, everything you download from them indefinitely. The only thing BARD doesn't authorize you to do is listen to it while you're out somewhere without first
going broke. *That* is what promotes piracy. If I have the choice to
download something from BARD, fork over a couple hundred dollars for one of their authorized players, and then listen to the book while I'm on my way to work, or download a torrent of the same book, and copy it to the MP3 player
I already have, which option do you think I'm going to go for? Same thing
with people who find ways to break BARD's copy protection. They want the
material, but either don't want to or can't aford to buy one of BARD's
blessed players. They still want the material, and they still want to be
able to listen to it while on their way to work. They already have a
portable player, but by BARD's logic, you absolutely must buy a second
portable player, just for BARD, or you'll be declared a pirate. Sorry, no. I
already bought one. And it cost a whole lot less than the VR Stream.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of mitchell
Sent: April 18, 2010 11:46 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing

Your rite, but after you download the file you don't return it. The books
you download are coppy protected, so how are you not steeling it then. Your not so if you have permition to cop that file the if you have the permition
of someone else to do the sam thing then you aren't steeling that either.
Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of Ford Blackwell
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:28 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

But with Bard, you're not permitted to share and you have to qualify for
their service by being blind and having a player that they authroize. There

is a specific exception in the copyright law for Bard and Bookshare type
services.
----- Original Message -----
From: "mitchell"<mitchellgre...@gmail.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'"<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:17 AM
Subject: RE: It's Still Stealing



I'm with you man, if it is steeling then why is it all rite to use
bard with the book players, because you are downloading the books.
Then you are not giving them back. Not a problem as far as I am
concerned.
Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 8:09 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: It's Still Stealing

Ok, so you say, "it's still stealing."
Then you tell me, why are there still some websites that lets you
download music and audio books without having to pay anything for it?
Yes these sites still exist, and people are downloading music and
audio books without having to pay a dime for it.
Explain that one to me, if you can!
  John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom"<t...@pc-audio.org>
To:<pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 AM
Subject: It's Still Stealing



It's still stealing whether or not your boss gives you permission to
copy it.

Tom

** Message From: DJ DOCTOR P **

High Tom,
I don't do it unless my boss gives me the green light to

do it.

If he says yes, then I do it.
But if he says no, then it doesn't happen.


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