There’s also a spurious quotation mark in

   such as using [RFC6823]"

I was also wondering why the pre-2008 disclaimer got added? None of the changes 
in -12 require it. 

Thanks,

—John

> On Oct 5, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Dhruv, 
> Thanks for the quick turnaround. It looks good to me. One nit, I believe a 
> period was added to “However, as noted in [RFC6952].,” by mistake.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>  
> From: Lsr <[email protected]> on behalf of Dhruv Dhody 
> <[email protected]>
> Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 9:06 AM
> To: Lars Eggert <[email protected]>
> Cc: The IESG <[email protected]>, 
> "[email protected]" 
> <[email protected]>, 
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, 
> Acee Lindem <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "Les Ginsberg 
> (ginsberg)" <[email protected]>, Adrian Farrel <[email protected]>, John 
> Scudder <[email protected]>, Roman Danyliw <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [Lsr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on 
> draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
>  
> Hi all, 
>  
> I have incorporated changes suggested by Les and Acee in the working copy 
> maintained at -
>  
> TXT - 
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dhruvdhody/ietf/master/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-12.txt
> DIFF - 
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11&url2=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dhruvdhody/ietf/master/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-12.txt
>  
> Also, see inline...
>  
>  
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 5:57 PM Lars Eggert via Datatracker 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Lars Eggert has entered the following ballot position for
>> draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: Discuss
>> 
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>> 
>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> DISCUSS:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> # GEN AD review of draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11
>> 
>> CC @larseggert
>> 
>> ## Discuss
>> 
>> ### Section 4, paragraph 3
>> ```
>>      Section 4 of [RFC5088] states that no new sub-TLVs will be added to
>>      the PCED TLV, and no new PCE information will be carried in the
>>      Router Information LSA.  This document updates [RFC5088] by allowing
>>      the two sub-TLVs defined in this document to be carried in the PCED
>>      TLV advertised in the Router Information LSA.
>> 
>>      Section 4 of [RFC5089] states that no new sub-TLVs will be added to
>>      the PCED TLV, and no new PCE information will be carried in the
>>      Router CAPABLITY TLV.  This document updates [RFC5089] by allowing
>>      the two sub-TLVs defined in this document to be carried in the PCED
>>      TLV advertised in the Router CAPABILITY TLV.
>> 
>>      This introduction of additional sub-TLVs should be viewed as an
>>      exception to the [RFC5088][RFC5089] policy, justified by the
>>      requirement to discover the PCEP security support prior to
>>      establishing a PCEP session.  The restrictions defined in
>>      [RFC5089][RFC5089] should still be considered to be in place.
>> ```
>> (This is mostly for discussion on the telechat, and I expect to clear
>> during the call.)
>> 
>> Why were 5088/89 so strict on not allowing new sub-TLVs? This seems
>> quite unusual for IETF specs. I'm not arguing that this document
>> can't update those earlier RFCs to allow these new sub-TLVs, but it
>> seems odd to do so and in the same sentence say "the restrictions
>> should still be considered in place."
>> 
>> ### Section 8.2, paragraph 1
>> ```
>>      The PCED sub-TLVs were defined in [RFC5088] and [RFC5089], but they
>>      did not create a registry for it.  This document requests IANA to
>>      create a new registry called "PCED sub-TLV type indicators" under the
>>      "Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) Parameters" grouping.  The
>>      registration policy for this registry is "IETF Review" [RFC8126].
>>      Values in this registry come from the range 0-65535.
>> ```
>> Should the registration policy not be stricter (e.g., Standards
>> Action?) given that 5088/89 didn't even allow any new values?
>> 
>  
> Dhruv: Updated to Standards Action.
>  
>  
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> COMMENT:
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> ## Comments
>> 
>> ### Inclusive language
>> 
>> Found terminology that should be reviewed for inclusivity; see
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/part2/#inclusive_language for background and more
>> guidance:
>> 
>>  * Term `master`; alternatives might be `active`, `central`, `initiator`,
>>    `leader`, `main`, `orchestrator`, `parent`, `primary`, `server`
>  
> Dhruv: The term appears in reference to an existing term defined in another 
> RFC.
>  
>       KeyID: The one octet Key ID as per [RFC5925] to uniquely identify
>       the Master Key Tuple (MKT).
>  
> Not sure how I can avoid using the term.
>  
>  
>>  * Term `man`; alternatives might be `individual`, `people`, `person`
>> 
>  
> Dhruv: Updated (as also suggested by Roman)
>  
>  
>> ## Nits
>> 
>> All comments below are about very minor potential issues that you may choose 
>> to
>> address in some way - or ignore - as you see fit. Some were flagged by
>> automated tools (via https://github.com/larseggert/ietf-reviewtool), so there
>> will likely be some false positives. There is no need to let me know what you
>> did with these suggestions.
>> 
>> ### URLs
>> 
>> These URLs in the document can probably be converted to HTTPS:
>> 
>>  * http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr36/
>> 
>  
> Dhruv: Updated.
>  
>  
>> ### Grammar/style
>> 
>> #### "Abstract", paragraph 1
>> ```
>>  for OSPF and IS-IS respectively. However these specifications lack a method
>>                                   ^^^^^^^
>> ```
>> A comma may be missing after the conjunctive/linking adverb "However".
>> (Also elsewhere.)
>> 
>> #### Section 1, paragraph 5
>> ```
>> ry" instead of the "IGP registry" where as [RFC8623] and [RFC9168] uses the
>>                                   ^^^^^^^^
>> ```
>> Did you mean "whereas"?
>> 
>> #### Section 3.2.2, paragraph 3
>> ```
>>  string to be used to identify the key chain. It MUST be encoded using UTF-8.
>>                                    ^^^^^^^^^
>> ```
>> This word is normally spelled as one. (Also elsewhere.)
>  
> Dhruv: The "key chain" is quite common. 'Greping' in existing RFCs I found 
> many instances!
>  
>  
>> 
>> #### Section 5, paragraph 4
>> ```
>>  enable a man-in-the-middle attack. Thus before advertising the PCEP security
>>                                     ^^^^
>> ```
>> A comma may be missing after the conjunctive/linking adverb "Thus".
>> 
>  
> Dhruv: All other nits are incorporated. 
>  
> Thanks! 
> Dhruv
>  
>  
>> ## Notes
>> 
>> This review is in the ["IETF Comments" Markdown format][ICMF], You can use 
>> the
>> [`ietf-comments` tool][ICT] to automatically convert this review into
>> individual GitHub issues. Review generated by the [`ietf-reviewtool`][IRT].
>> 
>> [ICMF]: https://github.com/mnot/ietf-comments/blob/main/format.md
>> [ICT]: https://github.com/mnot/ietf-comments
>> [IRT]: https://github.com/larseggert/ietf-reviewtool
>> 

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