HI,

Apologies for introducing nits in the update. I am using a new editor that
seems to behave differently. I have updated my working copy!

https://github.com/dhruvdhody/ietf/commit/00dd5aa38ca139fba8d6dcbe3ed06b2e89fcae25

On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 9:23 PM John Scudder <jgs=
[email protected]> wrote:

> There’s also a spurious quotation mark in
>
>    such as using [RFC6823]"
>
> I was also wondering why the pre-2008 disclaimer got added? None of the
> changes in -12 require it.
>
>
Yes, none of the changes require it!
But this existing idnits warning made sense to me and thus I
added the disclaimer. Let me know if that is a mistake, I can revert!

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Thanks!
Dhruv



> Thanks,
>
> —John
>
> > On Oct 5, 2022, at 11:46 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Dhruv,
> > Thanks for the quick turnaround. It looks good to me. One nit, I believe
> a period was added to “However, as noted in [RFC6952].,” by mistake.
> > Thanks,
> > Acee
> >
> > From: Lsr <[email protected]> on behalf of Dhruv Dhody <
> [email protected]>
> > Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 9:06 AM
> > To: Lars Eggert <[email protected]>
> > Cc: The IESG <[email protected]>, "
> [email protected]" <
> [email protected]>, "
> [email protected]" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>,
> Acee Lindem <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, "Les
> Ginsberg (ginsberg)" <[email protected]>, Adrian Farrel <
> [email protected]>, John Scudder <[email protected]>, Roman Danyliw <
> [email protected]>
> > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Lars Eggert's Discuss on
> draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have incorporated changes suggested by Les and Acee in the working
> copy maintained at -
> >
> > TXT -
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dhruvdhody/ietf/master/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-12.txt
> > DIFF -
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11&url2=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/dhruvdhody/ietf/master/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-12.txt
> >
> > Also, see inline...
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 5:57 PM Lars Eggert via Datatracker <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> >> Lars Eggert has entered the following ballot position for
> >> draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11: Discuss
> >>
> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
> >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
> >> introductory paragraph, however.)
> >>
> >>
> >> Please refer to
> https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/handling-ballot-positions/
> >> for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions.
> >>
> >>
> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
> >>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> DISCUSS:
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> # GEN AD review of draft-ietf-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-11
> >>
> >> CC @larseggert
> >>
> >> ## Discuss
> >>
> >> ### Section 4, paragraph 3
> >> ```
> >>      Section 4 of [RFC5088] states that no new sub-TLVs will be added to
> >>      the PCED TLV, and no new PCE information will be carried in the
> >>      Router Information LSA.  This document updates [RFC5088] by
> allowing
> >>      the two sub-TLVs defined in this document to be carried in the PCED
> >>      TLV advertised in the Router Information LSA.
> >>
> >>      Section 4 of [RFC5089] states that no new sub-TLVs will be added to
> >>      the PCED TLV, and no new PCE information will be carried in the
> >>      Router CAPABLITY TLV.  This document updates [RFC5089] by allowing
> >>      the two sub-TLVs defined in this document to be carried in the PCED
> >>      TLV advertised in the Router CAPABILITY TLV.
> >>
> >>      This introduction of additional sub-TLVs should be viewed as an
> >>      exception to the [RFC5088][RFC5089] policy, justified by the
> >>      requirement to discover the PCEP security support prior to
> >>      establishing a PCEP session.  The restrictions defined in
> >>      [RFC5089][RFC5089] should still be considered to be in place.
> >> ```
> >> (This is mostly for discussion on the telechat, and I expect to clear
> >> during the call.)
> >>
> >> Why were 5088/89 so strict on not allowing new sub-TLVs? This seems
> >> quite unusual for IETF specs. I'm not arguing that this document
> >> can't update those earlier RFCs to allow these new sub-TLVs, but it
> >> seems odd to do so and in the same sentence say "the restrictions
> >> should still be considered in place."
> >>
> >> ### Section 8.2, paragraph 1
> >> ```
> >>      The PCED sub-TLVs were defined in [RFC5088] and [RFC5089], but they
> >>      did not create a registry for it.  This document requests IANA to
> >>      create a new registry called "PCED sub-TLV type indicators" under
> the
> >>      "Interior Gateway Protocol (IGP) Parameters" grouping.  The
> >>      registration policy for this registry is "IETF Review" [RFC8126].
> >>      Values in this registry come from the range 0-65535.
> >> ```
> >> Should the registration policy not be stricter (e.g., Standards
> >> Action?) given that 5088/89 didn't even allow any new values?
> >>
> >
> > Dhruv: Updated to Standards Action.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> COMMENT:
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> ## Comments
> >>
> >> ### Inclusive language
> >>
> >> Found terminology that should be reviewed for inclusivity; see
> >> https://www.rfc-editor.org/part2/#inclusive_language for background
> and more
> >> guidance:
> >>
> >>  * Term `master`; alternatives might be `active`, `central`,
> `initiator`,
> >>    `leader`, `main`, `orchestrator`, `parent`, `primary`, `server`
> >
> > Dhruv: The term appears in reference to an existing term defined in
> another RFC.
> >
> >       KeyID: The one octet Key ID as per [RFC5925] to uniquely identify
> >       the Master Key Tuple (MKT).
> >
> > Not sure how I can avoid using the term.
> >
> >
> >>  * Term `man`; alternatives might be `individual`, `people`, `person`
> >>
> >
> > Dhruv: Updated (as also suggested by Roman)
> >
> >
> >> ## Nits
> >>
> >> All comments below are about very minor potential issues that you may
> choose to
> >> address in some way - or ignore - as you see fit. Some were flagged by
> >> automated tools (via https://github.com/larseggert/ietf-reviewtool),
> so there
> >> will likely be some false positives. There is no need to let me know
> what you
> >> did with these suggestions.
> >>
> >> ### URLs
> >>
> >> These URLs in the document can probably be converted to HTTPS:
> >>
> >>  * http://www.unicode.org/unicode/reports/tr36/
> >>
> >
> > Dhruv: Updated.
> >
> >
> >> ### Grammar/style
> >>
> >> #### "Abstract", paragraph 1
> >> ```
> >>  for OSPF and IS-IS respectively. However these specifications lack a
> method
> >>                                   ^^^^^^^
> >> ```
> >> A comma may be missing after the conjunctive/linking adverb "However".
> >> (Also elsewhere.)
> >>
> >> #### Section 1, paragraph 5
> >> ```
> >> ry" instead of the "IGP registry" where as [RFC8623] and [RFC9168] uses
> the
> >>                                   ^^^^^^^^
> >> ```
> >> Did you mean "whereas"?
> >>
> >> #### Section 3.2.2, paragraph 3
> >> ```
> >>  string to be used to identify the key chain. It MUST be encoded using
> UTF-8.
> >>                                    ^^^^^^^^^
> >> ```
> >> This word is normally spelled as one. (Also elsewhere.)
> >
> > Dhruv: The "key chain" is quite common. 'Greping' in existing RFCs I
> found many instances!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> #### Section 5, paragraph 4
> >> ```
> >>  enable a man-in-the-middle attack. Thus before advertising the PCEP
> security
> >>                                     ^^^^
> >> ```
> >> A comma may be missing after the conjunctive/linking adverb "Thus".
> >>
> >
> > Dhruv: All other nits are incorporated.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Dhruv
> >
> >
> >> ## Notes
> >>
> >> This review is in the ["IETF Comments" Markdown format][ICMF], You can
> use the
> >> [`ietf-comments` tool][ICT] to automatically convert this review into
> >> individual GitHub issues. Review generated by the
> [`ietf-reviewtool`][IRT].
> >>
> >> [ICMF]: https://github.com/mnot/ietf-comments/blob/main/format.md
> >> [ICT]: https://github.com/mnot/ietf-comments
> >> [IRT]: https://github.com/larseggert/ietf-reviewtool
> >>
>
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